Was Jesus fully enlightened?

Was jesus fully enlightened?

Yes, he was fully enlightened. But because he lived amidst a people who were absolutely ignorant about enlightenment, he had to speak in a language which may indicate he was not. He had to use such language because, at that particular time and place, there was no other possibility -- only this could be understood. Languages differ. When a buddha speaks, he uses a language that is totally different. He cannot say, "I am the son of God," because to talk about the son or the father is just nonsense. But for a Jesus it is impossible to use any other language -- Jesus is speaking to a very different type of person. Yet in many ways, Jesus is connected to Buddha. Christianity has no knowledge of where Jesus was for thirty years. With the exception of two earlier incidents -- when he was born, and once when he was…

This question has been hovering in me for years. A few times you have talked around it, but this has mystified me more, so please enlighten. When and where did enlightenment happen to jesus? Was he born enlightened? -- as it is said some three wise men from the east travelled to have darshan of the baby jesus. Or did enlightenment happen to jesus when he was secretly and anonymously travelling in tibet and india, visiting buddhist monasteries? Or did enlightenment happen to jesus when he was initiated by john the baptist in the river jordan? Or did enlightenment happen to jesus when he was on

There are three stages of enlightenment. The first is when the first glimpse happens. I call it mini-satori. When, for the first time, for a single moment mind is not functioning, there is a gap -- no thought between you and existence. You and existence, you and existence... for a moment... and the meeting, and the merging, and the communion, and the orgasm... but for a moment. And from that moment the seed will be in your heart and growing. The second I call satori: that is when you have become capable of retaining this gap as long as you want. For hours together, for days together you can remain in this interval, in this utter aloneness, in God, with God, as God. But a little effort is still needed on your part. If you drop the effort the SATORI disappears. the first SATORI, the mini-SATORI, happened almost an accident…

Beloved master, once you said jesus was fully enlightened. Recently, I heard you say jesus was not enlightened. You tell us that you always say the truth. How can truth change so fast?

Truth never changes, but statements about truth can change. When we start teaching a child, his book is full of big pictures and very little written matter. If he is learning the alphabet, then every letter stands for something. "M" stands for mango. The child can understand the mango, not the "M," and he can see the mango -- a colorful, beautiful picture. But slowly slowly the mango will be dropped. Now when you read, have you to repeat every time, "M stands for mango"? You have completely forgotten what stands for what. Now you can read the alphabet directly. Yes, I had said to you, "Jesus is enlightened." It was "M stands for mango," because you were not in a state to understand that Jesus is not enlightened. To say to you something which you cannot comprehend is meaningless. For centuries you have become accustomed to believe that Jesus…

Osho, one night you said that christianity has remained incomplete because for christians jesus died at the age of thirty-three when he was fiery, rebellious and active, with sun-like consciousness as his inner center. Does it mean that jesus could not achieve total spiritual growth, inner silence, inner peace and an inner full-moon stage of consciousness like buddha and mahavir? Please enlighten us on this point.

There is a story: Vivekananda achieved his first satori, his first glimpse of Samadhi, and Ramakrishna said, "Now I will keep this key with me; I am not going to give it to you. It will be given to you only three days before your death. Before you die, only three days before, this key will be given back to you. Now no more glimpses of Samadhi." Vivekananda began to weep and he said, "Why? I do not want anything. I do not want the whole kingdom of the world. Give me only my Samadhi. The one glimpse was so beautiful. I do not want anything more." Ramakrishna said, "The world needs you and something has to be done. And if you move into Samadhi, then you will not be able to do anything. So do not be in a hurry. Samadhi will wait for you. Move into the world;…

One thing more to be understood: The explosion is the explosion of your ego also. When you know, when you come to know yourself -- this is a miracle and this is a mystery -- the self remains only in ignorance. The self is part of the ignorance. We say self-knowledge, but really when the knowing comes, the self goes. There is no self then. Then there is only knowing. Then you are not. Then there is only existence, then there is only being. That being is atman. Atman is not the self, the ego. One thing to be understood: You cannot know yourself, because the moment you come to know, you are not there, only the knowing remains. And that knowing without an ego, goes to the very endless end. Because there is no boundary now. THIRD QUESTIONER: THEN, THE WORDS ATMA SAKSHATKAR HAVE NO MEANING FOR YOU?