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Is the witness a presence or simply an absence of identification with body and mind?

The witness is both the absence of identification and the vibrant presence of your intrinsic potential; in the emptiness of no-mind, true awareness blossoms.

— Osho
According to Osho, the witness is both: an absence and a presence. As identification with body-mind, thoughts and feelings falls away, a no-mind emptiness appears. In that openness your intrinsic potential flowers as a vibrant, radiant presence. Meditation creates the emptiness; in the same breath it allows being to blossom. Thus witnessing is empty of personality yet full of living awareness.

First you let go of all your thoughts and roles, and in that clean, quiet space a warm, clear aliveness naturally shines—that’s the witness.

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The Book Of Wisdom · Discourse 23Question 1 1979-03-05 Buddha Hall English

Where is the witness when the observer and the observed become one?

Anand Pravesh, the observer and the observed are two aspects of the witness. When they disappear into each other, when they melt into each other, when they are one, the witness for the first time arises in its totality. But this question arises in many people; the reason is that they think the witness is the observer. In their minds, the observer and the witness are synonymous. It is fallacious; the observer is not the witness, but only a part of it. And whenever the part thinks of itself as the whole, error arises. The observer means the subjective, and the observed means the objective. The observer means that which is outside the observed, and the observer also means that which is inside. The inside and the outside can't be separate; they are together, they can only be together. When this togetherness, or rather oneness, is experienced, the witness arises.…

Osho, it feels that to be a witness is also a kind of thought. So what is the difference between the witness and a thought of the witness?

The mystic laughed. He said, "Not underneath this tree, but within me there is a treasure and I am watching it. And the treasure is growing every day, it is becoming bigger and bigger, hence I have to be more and more alert." The mystic said to the king, "You can sleep, you have nothing to lose. I cannot, I have much to lose; and if I can remain awake I have much to gain." The king was very much impressed. He asked him to come to his palace, he invited him. The monk agreed. The king was a little puzzled: a monk agreeing so soon without even refusing once is not thought to be right. A monk should say, "No, I cannot come to the palace. I have renounced the world. It is all futile. It is all dream, illusion, maya I cannot come back to the world. I…
That Art Thou · Discourse 30Question 1 1972-03-31 Mt Abu Meditation Camp, India English

Different from all that constitutes the experiencer, bhokta, the experienced -- bhogya, and the experiencing -- bhoga, in the of waking, dream, and deep sleep. I am the witness, the ever-auspicious, the pure consciousness.

I AM THE NON-DUAL BRAHMAN. IN ME ALONE IS EVERYTHING BORN; IN ME ALONE THAT EVERYTHING EXISTS. AND IN ME ALONE, THAT EVERYTHING DISSOLVES. Find this witness; try to find this witness in everything you are doing, knowing, feeling. You are walking on the street; be a witness to it . See it, feel it, that the body is walking and the mind knows that the body is walking. Then be a witness of both; then be a witness that the mind knows that the body is walking, and the body is walking. The mind is the subject; the walking the object. Who are you? You can witness both body and mind -- WITNESS. Then suddenly you become aware that "the body is walking in me, the mind is knowing in me." And this me is not an "I" -- this is just a pure consciousness, a mirror in which…

No—then there was no witness there either; and yet you speak of witnessing?

One has to be a witness to the mind. In experiencing, the mind is simply not there. That is the difficulty: in experiencing, the mind is not there at all. Experience is mind. In fact, the sum total of all our experiences is what we call the mind. One is to be a witness of the mind. Mind means: the dead past—what is no longer, but was. Or mind means: that which is not yet, and will be. In experiencing there is no question of a witness. If, in the midst of experiencing, you become a witness, the experiencing will be broken that very moment, destroyed, ended—it will immediately turn into experience. I am saying you can only be a witness to experience. If, even in experiencing, you try to be a witness… For example, I am loving someone and he has come and embraced me; if at this very…
That Art Thou · Discourse 37Question 1 1972-10-14 Mt Abu Meditation Camp, India English

By knowing oneself as the individual witnessing self of the intellect, and all its moods, and cultivating such feelings as "I am that," one should renounce any identification with all things except the self. After ceasing to follow others, one should create a distance with one's own body. Then one should stop following scriptures and give up one's identification with the self also.

WHEN A YOGI IS ROOTED IN THE SELF, HIS MIND IS DESTROYED BY FOLLOWING RIGHT METHOD, RIGHT LISTENING, AND HIS FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, AND BY SEEING OTHERS AS HIS OWN SELF. HE THEN, CONTEMPLATES THE SELF, INSIDE THE HEART, WITHOUT GIVING AN EAR TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY, WITHDRAWING HIS ATTENTION FROM THE OBJECTS OF THE SENSES: SOUND, TOUCH, SIGHT, TASTE AND SMELL COLLECTIVELY; AND HE DOES NOT GIVE IN TO SLEEP OR FORGETFULNESS OF THE SELF. The word "witnessing" is one of the most significant words, particularly in Eastern spiritual alchemy. This word is a key word. So we must understand what witnessing means. We act, we do something, and the moment we do it we become the doer -- you walk, you become the walker. But there is one more possibility -- to remain a witnesser, to remain a witness. Walk, eat, or do whatsoever; don't be identified with…
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