Are the waves of Krishnamurti and Gurdjieff part of the ocean of consciousness?

Beloved Osho, thank you for letting us taste from your ocean of consciousness. Both krishnamurti and gurdjieff were talking about their waves of consciousness. Beloved master, are they the waves of your ocean?

And in the fourteenth there is only one man, their own master, who was not known outside Agra. All his following is centered in Agra. A few people have moved to different places, but basically, it is a one-city-oriented religion. They asked me what was my opinion about this map. I said, "Who has made this map?" They said, "It is in our holy scripture. Our master himself has made this." I said, "Your master is right. He is in the fourteenth." They looked at me, because before me they had shown that map to many people. Everybody disagreed because their masters were put in the fifth degree, somebody's master in the third degree, somebody's master at the most in the seventh. After the seventh, the other six planes are empty. The fourteenth, the highest reach of consciousness, has been achieved by their master. Naturally no Hindu will agree, no…

Osho, true masters are different, and a follower of one master cannot accept another. But we find ourselves bowing to Buddha, Mahavira, Lao Tzu, Jesus, Krishna—everyone. Perhaps it is because you yourself have oriented us toward them. Even on seeing the living master Krishnamurti, our hearts overflowed with joy, our feet began to dance. Why? And we cannot understand why Krishnamurti’s lovers cannot accept you?

True masters are certainly different. Broadly, three kinds can be seen. First is the kind of master like Krishnamurti; Mahavira and Buddha belong to the same line. Such a master has one central message: become utterly free, do not depend on anyone. Your liberation lies in your freedom. Liberation is not a final event waiting at the end; you must learn freedom from the very first step—only then will it flower at the last. Krishnamurti’s famous book is The First and the Last Freedom: the first freedom is the last freedom; the very first step of freedom is already the last step. So: do not go into anyone’s refuge, do not surrender anywhere, do not bind yourself to any ideology; avoid belief. Mahavira called this the state of ashraya-shunyata—no refuge. Take no shelter. Buddha’s last message at the time of his death—Ananda asked for a final word to treasure forever—was:…

Osho, sensitive people from the far corners of the world are being drawn to you. Yet it is surprising that your voice does not seem to reach saintly men like Krishnamurti, Vinoba, Jayaprakash, and Kripalani. Why can they not perceive that here in Poona there is a person who holds the medicine for humanity’s fundamental malady?

With Krishnamurti the ease, the benefit, is that your intellect will always remain satisfied. One who once begins to walk with him keeps on walking. No occasion will arise to leave, because the very reason for joining will never be contradicted—Krishnamurti will go on confirming it again and again, a thousand times. His intellectual conviction will become stronger and stronger. But the danger is that he will remain stuck in the intellect and never reach the heart. And you ask about Kripalani? Krishnamurti cannot come to me; there is no need. Krishnamurti is religion embodied. Kripalani also cannot come to me; there is no need—because Kripalani is pure politics; he has nothing to do with religion. Krishnamurti cannot come because he is established in religion; Kripalani cannot come because he has nothing to do with religion. His whole life has gone into politics—setting up moves and counter-moves, arranging pawns! A…

Beloved master, would you please speak more about the new phase of your work? Sri ramakrishna, sri raman, and even j. Krishnamurti, appear one-dimensional. Did gurdjieff attempt a multidimensional approach? Was it the cause of his being so greatly misunderstood?

In the Middle Ages the mystics disappeared behind the garb of alchemy; they had to disappear because of the Christians. The Christians were destroying all kinds of sources which were in any way in conflict with Christian ideology. They were not allowing anybody to practice anything else; even to talk about anything else was not permitted: "Christianity and only Christianity is the way." The mystics had to disappear. They created a beautiful deception, they created the idea of alchemy. They started saying, "We are alchemists; we have nothing to do with spirituality. All that is rot. We are seeking and searching for the secret of immortal life, of eternal youth. We are trying to find ways and means to transform base metals into gold." And just to deceive the public they made chemistry labs. If you had entered into an alchemist's world, you would have encountered jars and medicines and…

A friend has asked, Osho, why should we be religious when neither the beginning nor the end is known, and there is no trace of God or soul? The enlightened ones speak of truth—if that truth is real, why can’t they make everyone experience it?

No one is telling you to be religious—at least Lao Tzu would not. The so-called religious people have created so much disturbance that it is better you do not become one of them. Lao Tzu does not say, “Be religious.” He simply says: be what you are. You may ask, why should I be what I am? Because that is the only thing you can be. There is no way to be anything else. Yes, you can try to be something else—and in that trying your life can be wasted. You may then say, why not waste life? No one can stop you. And precisely for this reason even the enlightened ones are defeated and cannot give you the knowledge of truth—because you say, why should we know the truth? What can the enlightened do? They can speak. They can try to awaken in you the thirst for the joy…