Is J. Krishnamurti enlightened?

Question: OSHO, IS J. KRISHNAMURTI ENLIGHTENED? It is a strange coincidence that just for the first time today I have seen J. Krishnamurti on the television screen. One time it happened, I was in Bombay, he was in Bombay, and he wanted to meet me. One of his chief disciples in India came to me and asked me -- he knew me and he used to listen to me -- "J. Krishnamurti wants to see you." I said, "I have no problem -- bring him." But he said, "That is not the Indian way." I said, "Krishnamurti does not believe in Indian or European or American ways." He said, "He may not believe in them but everybody else does." I said, "I am not going to meet everybody else. You say J. Krishnamurti wants to meet me: bring him.

Maneesha has asked: beloved Osho, although basho's haikus are exquisite, they mostly tend to be a bit melancholy. I have always associated enlightenment with levity, if not ecstasy -- although is seems that krishnamurti didn't extract much enjoyment from his enlightenment. Was basho enlightened?

My own understanding is, that it was somewhat of a perversion of compassion. You should not be so insistent; you should make available whatever you have. If somebody choses it, it is his freedom; if somebody does not, it is his freedom. You cannot impose your ideas upon others. Even though the ideas were about freedom, the difficulty was that he was talking about freedom, but he wanted you to agree with his ideas about freedom. He could not see that even this is forcing slavery, a psychological slavery, on people. You can simply share your vision of freedom, and that's all. It is up to the people. If something rings a bell in their hearts, good; if nothing rings into their hearts, what can you do? You cannot force somebody to freedom. And what kind of freedom will it be, which is forced? -- that you are free, under…

Osho, can an enlightened person be wrong? This refers to what you told us about j. Krishnamurti, who keeps on saying that one does not need a master, which is actually not right please comment.

And that's what has happened in India: people are living in maya, deeply in it, and still talking that "This is all maya." And this talk too is part of their dream; it does not destroy the dream. In fact it makes the dream more rooted in them, because now there is no need to get rid of it -- because it is a dream! So why get rid of it? It does not matter. In a subtle way all the religions have done this: they have talked from the highest peak to the people for whom that peak does not exist yet. The people are living in darkness, and you go on telling them that darkness has no existence. It is true -- darkness has no existence, it is only the absence of light -- but just by saying to people that darkness has no existence is not going…

If krishnamurti is enlightened he must see what you are saying himself, right? So why doesn't he just come here and find himself a chair and a case of cold sodas and lean back and forget all that?

Two hipsters were visiting a small Alaska town when they heard some rumbling in the distance. 'Hey, cat,' one hipster said to a native. 'What's that crazy noise?' 'That noise means an avalanche is starting,' said one of the locals. 'In the past we've had to leave here for safety's sake.' 'Man,' said the second hipster, 'I don't dig this. Let's beat it.' 'You can go if you want to,' screamed hipster number one, 'but I'm staying. I've got a feeling this town is really going to move tonight!' If you look into people you will find that in situations absolutely alike -- or even in one situation -- they react differently, they respond differently. So what to say about enlightened persons? They are like peaks, peaks of the Himalayas, absolutely alone, unique. Never compare two enlightened persons. If you understand well, never compare any two persons -- but at…