Self-lauding, stubborn, swollen with the intoxication of wealth and honor।
they perform sacrifices in name alone, in ostentation, not according to the rite।। 17।।
Taking refuge in ego, in power, in arrogance, in desire and in wrath।
hating Me in their own and in others’ bodies, envious and censorious।। 18।।
Those haters—cruel, the lowest among men—amid the rounds of samsara।
I cast forever, ill-starred, into demonic wombs alone।। 19।।
Having attained demonic wombs, deluded, birth after birth।
not reaching Me, O Kaunteya, they then go to the lowest state।। 20।।
Geeta Darshan #7
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Sutra (Original)
आत्मसंभाविताः स्तब्धा धनमानमदान्विताः।
यजन्ते नामयज्ञैस्ते दम्भेनाविधिपूर्वकम्।। 17।।
अहंकारं बलं दर्पं कामं क्रोधं च संश्रिताः।
मामात्मपरदेहेषु प्रद्विषन्तोऽभ्यसूयकाः।। 18।।
तानहं द्विषतः क्रूरान्संसारेषु नराधमान्।
क्षिपाम्यजस्रमशुभानासुरीष्वेव योनिषु।। 19।।
आसुरीं योनिमापन्ना मूढा जन्मनि जन्मनि।
मामप्राप्यैव कौन्तेय ततो यान्त्यधमां गतिम्।। 20।।
यजन्ते नामयज्ञैस्ते दम्भेनाविधिपूर्वकम्।। 17।।
अहंकारं बलं दर्पं कामं क्रोधं च संश्रिताः।
मामात्मपरदेहेषु प्रद्विषन्तोऽभ्यसूयकाः।। 18।।
तानहं द्विषतः क्रूरान्संसारेषु नराधमान्।
क्षिपाम्यजस्रमशुभानासुरीष्वेव योनिषु।। 19।।
आसुरीं योनिमापन्ना मूढा जन्मनि जन्मनि।
मामप्राप्यैव कौन्तेय ततो यान्त्यधमां गतिम्।। 20।।
Transliteration:
ātmasaṃbhāvitāḥ stabdhā dhanamānamadānvitāḥ|
yajante nāmayajñaiste dambhenāvidhipūrvakam|| 17||
ahaṃkāraṃ balaṃ darpaṃ kāmaṃ krodhaṃ ca saṃśritāḥ|
māmātmaparadeheṣu pradviṣanto'bhyasūyakāḥ|| 18||
tānahaṃ dviṣataḥ krūrānsaṃsāreṣu narādhamān|
kṣipāmyajasramaśubhānāsurīṣveva yoniṣu|| 19||
āsurīṃ yonimāpannā mūḍhā janmani janmani|
māmaprāpyaiva kaunteya tato yāntyadhamāṃ gatim|| 20||
ātmasaṃbhāvitāḥ stabdhā dhanamānamadānvitāḥ|
yajante nāmayajñaiste dambhenāvidhipūrvakam|| 17||
ahaṃkāraṃ balaṃ darpaṃ kāmaṃ krodhaṃ ca saṃśritāḥ|
māmātmaparadeheṣu pradviṣanto'bhyasūyakāḥ|| 18||
tānahaṃ dviṣataḥ krūrānsaṃsāreṣu narādhamān|
kṣipāmyajasramaśubhānāsurīṣveva yoniṣu|| 19||
āsurīṃ yonimāpannā mūḍhā janmani janmani|
māmaprāpyaiva kaunteya tato yāntyadhamāṃ gatim|| 20||
Translation (Meaning)
Questions in this Discourse
First question:
Osho, yesterday it was said that there is a balance of good and evil in the world. The two are always equal in measure. When one evil is erased, some good also diminishes. If this balance is never going to change, then what is the purpose of sadhana?
Osho, yesterday it was said that there is a balance of good and evil in the world. The two are always equal in measure. When one evil is erased, some good also diminishes. If this balance is never going to change, then what is the purpose of sadhana?
The question is important. It is something seekers should ponder deeply.
We harbor the misunderstanding that sadhana is meant to increase goodness. Sadhana has nothing to do with increasing good, nor with reducing evil. Sadhana is concerned with transcending both, going beyond both. Sadhana does not want to dispel darkness, nor to augment light; it wants to make you a witness to both.
In this world there are three states: the state of a bad mind, the state of a good mind, and, beyond both, the state of peace—no-mind. The purpose of sadhana is that you become free of both good and bad. Until you are free of both, there is no possibility of liberation.
If you cling to the good, you will be bound by the good. If you drop the bad and fight the bad, you will be bound by its opposite. There is choice: if you save yourself from the well, you will fall into the ditch. But if you choose neither, that is the supreme seeker’s inquiry—how can that moment arrive when I choose nothing; only I remain, with nothing imposed upon me. I do not drape myself in clouds of evil, nor in clouds of virtue. Let all my coverings end. Let only that remain which I am in my very nature.
This natural, spontaneous state of one’s own nature can be called neither good nor bad. It is beyond both, different from both, prior to both.
Ordinarily, we think of sadhana as an effort to become good. There are reasons for it; behind that misunderstanding lies a long history. Society’s desire is to make you good because society suffers from the bad; it is troubled by the bad. So the effort goes on to make you good. Society does not want to take you into sadhana; it wants to shift you from the bondage of the bad into the bondage of the good.
Nor does society want you to become utterly free, because a totally free person appears like an enemy of society. Society wants you to remain dependent, but dependent in the way society prefers. It wants to make you good so that society need not endure any licentiousness, indiscipline, disturbance, rebellion, or revolt from you.
Society does not want to make you religious; at most, it wants to make you moral. And morality and religion are very different things. An atheist can also be moral—often more moral than those we call theists. There is no need for God for you to be good; nor any need for moksha. For being good, only discernment is needed. So an atheist can be good, can be moral.
Religion is something else entirely. Its purpose is not met merely because you do not steal. Not stealing is fine—but no one attains liberation by not stealing. When the thief gets nothing, what will the one who abstains from stealing gain? When nothing is obtained by hoarding wealth, what will be obtained by renouncing it? If gathering wealth yielded something, perhaps renouncing it would also yield something. When nothing is obtained by plunging into sex and indulgence, what will be obtained by renouncing them? It is rubbish; by dropping rubbish, liberation does not arrive. This is a little difficult to understand.
Keep one thing in mind: whatever can bring benefit can also bring harm; whatever can bring harm can also bring benefit. But from that which brings no benefit at all, no harm can come either. If collecting wealth brings no benefit whatsoever, then collecting wealth can bring no harm either.
A religious person regards the hoarding of wealth as foolishness, not as evil. It is childishness. Religion does not call the one immersed in lust a sinner, only ignorant—he does not know what he is doing. So religion has no desire that by giving up what society calls bad you will become free.
Respectable gentlemen are among us, yet liberation is as far from them as from the wicked; that distance does not change. The distance to liberation begins to lessen only when you become neither wicked nor respectable; neither saint nor non-saint—for there is a duality between the two. Until that duality breaks, the state of the paramahansa does not arrive.
The purpose of sadhana is that the paramahansa state arises. This also frightens us. Because the moment we think of someone dropping both good and bad, we fear he will become bad. If you are told to drop both, immediately thoughts of doing bad arise. Leaving goodness is very easy—you have never really held it, so where is the question of leaving it? If you come to know that both are useless, you will at once start doing what is bad. Because of this very mentality, we feel afraid of religion’s ultimate, radical vision: to go beyond both.
But if you understand the meaning of sadhana, it is to move, slowly, from the outer toward the inner.
Goodness is outside, badness is outside. If you steal, someone other than you is necessary. How will you steal alone? Suppose on this earth you are left alone—society destroyed by a third war, all gone, and only you survive—could you steal then? Whose would you steal? What meaning would “stealing” have?
If you are alone, you cannot steal. If you are alone, can you give in charity? For charity too, the other is needed.
So whether stealing or charity, morality or immorality, merit or sin—these are all outer events. But even if the whole world were destroyed and you remained alone, you could still meditate. Meditation has nothing to do with the other. Meditation is an inner phenomenon. Therefore meditation leads you within.
Merit distracts you outward, sin distracts you outward. Good is in society, bad is in society. Neither has anything to do with the innermost.
Sadhana means meditation. Sadhana means inwardness. Sadhana means: let me know that which I am in my privacy, which has no reference to the other. Sadhana has nothing to do with relationships; it has to do with oneself—let me know that which I am.
So neither by stealing can anyone know That, nor by giving up stealing. Thieves wander, and those who do not steal also wander. Neither by doing what is bad has anyone ever known it, nor by doing what is good. The knower of That has to drop all doing—bad as well as good. One has to sink within into non-action. One has to close one’s eyes to the outer.
For That, lust is useless; for That, even celibacy is worth two pennies. Because celibacy and lust are two sides of the same coin; they are not different. You value celibacy because you have a taste for lust. The day lust loses all taste, celibacy too is worth two pennies; it has no value either.
There is nothing to do with dualities. And the world is a balance. In the world, evil and good are always balanced. Sadhana is the process of rising beyond the world. But this will come into view only when you have a little experience.
For now we choose among actions: this act is bad—drop it; this act is good—do it. Our emphasis is still on action, on karma. We place no emphasis on our nature which is hidden behind actions.
Know That which does the bad and does the good. Know That which is hidden behind both. Know That which, having done everything, remains a non-doer. Know That which is the witness of all. It has nothing to do with your actions—whether you worship in the morning, pray, bathe or not, go to a temple or to a mosque—none of this relates to it.
I am not saying do not go to a temple. Nor am I saying do not do good. I am only saying this much: you will have to go beyond doing; only then will there be a connection with religion.
Arjuna too is afflicted with this same duality. What is his question, his concern, his entanglement? It is this very entanglement. He sees that this war is evil: people will die, there will only be killing, blood will flow. Who knows how many women will be widowed, how many children orphaned. Sorrow and wailing will spread from house to house. This is bad.
So he says to Krishna: let me drop this evil. This does not seem like something to do. Better I go to the forest, take sannyas, become detached, renounce everything—drop the bad and hold to the good. And what is Krishna explaining to him? That is why Krishna’s message, while simple, is exceedingly difficult.
Krishna is explaining: as long as you think, “This is bad, I should drop it; this is good, I should do it,” you will remain in confusion. Drop the very notion of karma. Drop the feeling that “I am the doer.”
If you leave the war and go, you will think, “I have renounced, I have sacrificed, I have become detached”—but the sense of action will remain with you. If you fight, you will think, “I fought the war; I killed people,” or “I saved people.”
Both notions are delusions. You are not the doer. Leave the doing to the Vast. Become merely an instrument. Give the Vast the chance to do something through you. Become only the watcher. In this war, be a witness.
Krishna’s entire effort is that Arjuna be freed from the duality of bad and good, become without duality; not choose between the two, but become the third—separate from both.
This is the very purpose of sadhana.
We harbor the misunderstanding that sadhana is meant to increase goodness. Sadhana has nothing to do with increasing good, nor with reducing evil. Sadhana is concerned with transcending both, going beyond both. Sadhana does not want to dispel darkness, nor to augment light; it wants to make you a witness to both.
In this world there are three states: the state of a bad mind, the state of a good mind, and, beyond both, the state of peace—no-mind. The purpose of sadhana is that you become free of both good and bad. Until you are free of both, there is no possibility of liberation.
If you cling to the good, you will be bound by the good. If you drop the bad and fight the bad, you will be bound by its opposite. There is choice: if you save yourself from the well, you will fall into the ditch. But if you choose neither, that is the supreme seeker’s inquiry—how can that moment arrive when I choose nothing; only I remain, with nothing imposed upon me. I do not drape myself in clouds of evil, nor in clouds of virtue. Let all my coverings end. Let only that remain which I am in my very nature.
This natural, spontaneous state of one’s own nature can be called neither good nor bad. It is beyond both, different from both, prior to both.
Ordinarily, we think of sadhana as an effort to become good. There are reasons for it; behind that misunderstanding lies a long history. Society’s desire is to make you good because society suffers from the bad; it is troubled by the bad. So the effort goes on to make you good. Society does not want to take you into sadhana; it wants to shift you from the bondage of the bad into the bondage of the good.
Nor does society want you to become utterly free, because a totally free person appears like an enemy of society. Society wants you to remain dependent, but dependent in the way society prefers. It wants to make you good so that society need not endure any licentiousness, indiscipline, disturbance, rebellion, or revolt from you.
Society does not want to make you religious; at most, it wants to make you moral. And morality and religion are very different things. An atheist can also be moral—often more moral than those we call theists. There is no need for God for you to be good; nor any need for moksha. For being good, only discernment is needed. So an atheist can be good, can be moral.
Religion is something else entirely. Its purpose is not met merely because you do not steal. Not stealing is fine—but no one attains liberation by not stealing. When the thief gets nothing, what will the one who abstains from stealing gain? When nothing is obtained by hoarding wealth, what will be obtained by renouncing it? If gathering wealth yielded something, perhaps renouncing it would also yield something. When nothing is obtained by plunging into sex and indulgence, what will be obtained by renouncing them? It is rubbish; by dropping rubbish, liberation does not arrive. This is a little difficult to understand.
Keep one thing in mind: whatever can bring benefit can also bring harm; whatever can bring harm can also bring benefit. But from that which brings no benefit at all, no harm can come either. If collecting wealth brings no benefit whatsoever, then collecting wealth can bring no harm either.
A religious person regards the hoarding of wealth as foolishness, not as evil. It is childishness. Religion does not call the one immersed in lust a sinner, only ignorant—he does not know what he is doing. So religion has no desire that by giving up what society calls bad you will become free.
Respectable gentlemen are among us, yet liberation is as far from them as from the wicked; that distance does not change. The distance to liberation begins to lessen only when you become neither wicked nor respectable; neither saint nor non-saint—for there is a duality between the two. Until that duality breaks, the state of the paramahansa does not arrive.
The purpose of sadhana is that the paramahansa state arises. This also frightens us. Because the moment we think of someone dropping both good and bad, we fear he will become bad. If you are told to drop both, immediately thoughts of doing bad arise. Leaving goodness is very easy—you have never really held it, so where is the question of leaving it? If you come to know that both are useless, you will at once start doing what is bad. Because of this very mentality, we feel afraid of religion’s ultimate, radical vision: to go beyond both.
But if you understand the meaning of sadhana, it is to move, slowly, from the outer toward the inner.
Goodness is outside, badness is outside. If you steal, someone other than you is necessary. How will you steal alone? Suppose on this earth you are left alone—society destroyed by a third war, all gone, and only you survive—could you steal then? Whose would you steal? What meaning would “stealing” have?
If you are alone, you cannot steal. If you are alone, can you give in charity? For charity too, the other is needed.
So whether stealing or charity, morality or immorality, merit or sin—these are all outer events. But even if the whole world were destroyed and you remained alone, you could still meditate. Meditation has nothing to do with the other. Meditation is an inner phenomenon. Therefore meditation leads you within.
Merit distracts you outward, sin distracts you outward. Good is in society, bad is in society. Neither has anything to do with the innermost.
Sadhana means meditation. Sadhana means inwardness. Sadhana means: let me know that which I am in my privacy, which has no reference to the other. Sadhana has nothing to do with relationships; it has to do with oneself—let me know that which I am.
So neither by stealing can anyone know That, nor by giving up stealing. Thieves wander, and those who do not steal also wander. Neither by doing what is bad has anyone ever known it, nor by doing what is good. The knower of That has to drop all doing—bad as well as good. One has to sink within into non-action. One has to close one’s eyes to the outer.
For That, lust is useless; for That, even celibacy is worth two pennies. Because celibacy and lust are two sides of the same coin; they are not different. You value celibacy because you have a taste for lust. The day lust loses all taste, celibacy too is worth two pennies; it has no value either.
There is nothing to do with dualities. And the world is a balance. In the world, evil and good are always balanced. Sadhana is the process of rising beyond the world. But this will come into view only when you have a little experience.
For now we choose among actions: this act is bad—drop it; this act is good—do it. Our emphasis is still on action, on karma. We place no emphasis on our nature which is hidden behind actions.
Know That which does the bad and does the good. Know That which is hidden behind both. Know That which, having done everything, remains a non-doer. Know That which is the witness of all. It has nothing to do with your actions—whether you worship in the morning, pray, bathe or not, go to a temple or to a mosque—none of this relates to it.
I am not saying do not go to a temple. Nor am I saying do not do good. I am only saying this much: you will have to go beyond doing; only then will there be a connection with religion.
Arjuna too is afflicted with this same duality. What is his question, his concern, his entanglement? It is this very entanglement. He sees that this war is evil: people will die, there will only be killing, blood will flow. Who knows how many women will be widowed, how many children orphaned. Sorrow and wailing will spread from house to house. This is bad.
So he says to Krishna: let me drop this evil. This does not seem like something to do. Better I go to the forest, take sannyas, become detached, renounce everything—drop the bad and hold to the good. And what is Krishna explaining to him? That is why Krishna’s message, while simple, is exceedingly difficult.
Krishna is explaining: as long as you think, “This is bad, I should drop it; this is good, I should do it,” you will remain in confusion. Drop the very notion of karma. Drop the feeling that “I am the doer.”
If you leave the war and go, you will think, “I have renounced, I have sacrificed, I have become detached”—but the sense of action will remain with you. If you fight, you will think, “I fought the war; I killed people,” or “I saved people.”
Both notions are delusions. You are not the doer. Leave the doing to the Vast. Become merely an instrument. Give the Vast the chance to do something through you. Become only the watcher. In this war, be a witness.
Krishna’s entire effort is that Arjuna be freed from the duality of bad and good, become without duality; not choose between the two, but become the third—separate from both.
This is the very purpose of sadhana.
Second question:
Osho, in yesterday’s sutra you said that scientists claim if any sense is not used for three years it becomes nonfunctional. And yet we do not use the sex sense for twenty or twenty‑five years and still we do not find ourselves free of sexual desire. Not only us—even so‑called sadhus and sannyasins seem tormented by sexuality after years of practice. Does this principle not apply to the sex sense?
Osho, in yesterday’s sutra you said that scientists claim if any sense is not used for three years it becomes nonfunctional. And yet we do not use the sex sense for twenty or twenty‑five years and still we do not find ourselves free of sexual desire. Not only us—even so‑called sadhus and sannyasins seem tormented by sexuality after years of practice. Does this principle not apply to the sex sense?
On this, two or three things need to be understood.
First: the sex sense is not like your other senses. In truth, the sex sense is the center—the ground-source—of all your senses. The other senses lie on the surface, at the periphery; the sex sense is deep within, at the root.
If you cut off a tree’s branches, the tree does not die; new branches sprout. But if you cut the roots, the tree dies—those green branches, too, wither and fall away.
The eyes are on the surface, the hands on the surface, the ears on the surface; the sex sense is very deep. So if you do not use the eyes for three years, they will atrophy. If you do not use the ears, you will become deaf. If you do not move the hand, it will become paralyzed. If you do not use the legs, they will stiffen and lose all power. But the sex sense is different. Understand the reasons.
Every cell of your body is made out of sexual desire. The eyes are a small part, the ears a set of tiny bones; but the sex sense pervades your whole body. That first cell formed in the mother’s womb arose out of sexual desire; from the expansion of that single cell your entire body was formed. Every atom of you is filled with sexual desire.
So even if you gouge out the eyes, break the ears, cut off the hands, there will be no difference in lust. People mistake the genitals for the sex sense—that is the error. The genitals are only the bodily expression of the sex sense, the doorway for its use. But your entire body is sexual desire. Even if you cut off the genitals, lust will not end.
Lust will cease only when you experientially know your soul as utterly separate from the body. Not before. If there is even the slightest identification—“I am the body”—lust will remain to that extent. Eyes can be destroyed quite easily; lust will not be destroyed so easily.
Second: you are born out of lust. In your very birth, lust has played a profound role. So as long as the urge for life remains in you, you will not be free of lust. As long as you want to survive, to live, to remain, you will not be free—because life itself has arisen out of lust; and if you want to live, lust is strengthened.
The day your urge to live drops, and you say, “Let me be effaced, lost, dissolved—therein lies my bliss. I no longer want to survive; I will not make this body my home. I want to be free of all limitations,”—the day death, instead of life, becomes your goal, on that day lust will vanish. Before that, it will not.
Therefore, twenty‑five years—even twenty‑five births—of suppressing lust will not end it. The more you repress it, the more it grows. You may refrain from using the sex organ, but the mind remains occupied with sexual desire—so you remain entangled.
You may, for twenty‑five years, keep yourself safe from every outer form of sexuality; the protection is only on the surface, while inside the mind keeps running in lust. That inner current of desire, those thoughts in the mind, will keep the sex sense alert and alive.
In fact, the situation is the reverse: if you are allowed the excessive use of sexuality, sex may even die; if you are not allowed to use it at all, it will not die.
I was reading a collection of memoirs by a French physician, Maurice Mességué—Of Men and Plants. He was a great master of herbs and healed thousands through them. The world’s prominent people used to invite him—Churchill, famous actors, writers, poets, kings and princes. He has written all his reminiscences, including one about Prince Aly Khan, the son of the Aga Khan.
Prince Aly Khan phoned him and said, “I have a private, secret ailment; you must come.” An invitation from Prince Aly Khan is no small thing. The doctor hurried to his palace. After dismissing everyone, the Prince began to describe his problem. The physician suspected it must be sexual—hence the secrecy. Prince Aly Khan said, “My sexual desire has completely vanished. My appetite is dead. I feel no urge at all. Do something!”
The doctor asked, “How many times a month do you have intercourse?” Prince Aly Khan burst out laughing, “A month? Every day—three times a day. But the desire is totally gone. No lust arises. I do it like a mechanical act.”
This is no illness. If someone is having intercourse three times a day, of course the desire will die—and soon he himself may die.
If lust is overused, it dies; if it is not used at all, if it is repressed, it stays alive and vigorous. But neither by overuse nor by nonuse do you become free of it.
Appetite may die, yet there is an even deeper craving within that insists it must not die. Desire grows weak, yet from within the mind says, “Keep it alive—find some way.”
Often libertines find their lust has grown flaccid, while celibates’ has not—because libertines go to excess and get tired.
Gurdjieff writes in his memoirs that as a child in the Caucasus there was a particular fruit he loved so much that he often fell ill from overeating it. It was harmful, heavy, weighty. He writes that his grandfather told him, “There is only one way to be free of this: one day eat as much as you possibly can—until your last breath, until you feel death approaching. Keep eating it.” Gurdjieff said, “How will that set me free?” In fact he felt a certain relish, for at home everyone had always restrained him, “Don’t eat this, it’s not good, it will harm you.”
But when his grandfather said it, he bought a large quantity of the fruit. His grandfather sat before him and said, “Eat—as much as you want.” He kept eating. He got tired and could not take another bite. But his grandfather said, “You can still eat a little. Eat more.” Then vomiting began, then diarrhea. He was ill for three months. But after that, he says, he lost all taste for that fruit.
Suppression is certainly no path to freedom from lust; but if your sexuality becomes such that you are tormented by it—if it turns into suffering, into sorrow—then perhaps awakening may happen.
Yet even that is not enough. Giving up a fruit is one thing; giving up lust is quite another. After a few days it will return. Repress it and it persists; indulge it and it slackens for a while, then returns.
If you want freedom from lust, I told you two things. First, the vision “I am not the body” must become steady. Second, the desire for life must end.
Death is the opposite of lust. Birth happens through lust; death is lust’s antithesis. In those disciplines—such as Buddha’s—that made unique experiments on lust, death was made the foundation of practice.
When Buddha initiated someone into brahmacharya, he would say, “For three months first contemplate death at the cremation ground.” At first hearing this, you may be surprised: what has brahmacharya to do with the burning ghat and death? But Buddha would say, “For three months sit at the cremation ground—morning to evening, at night, whenever bodies are burning. That is your place of meditation. Corpses will come—children, youths, the old; the beautiful and the ugly; the healthy and the sick—people of all kinds. Just keep watching: the burning pyres, the bones snapping, skulls falling, the body turning to ash, all disappearing into smoke—just keep watching. For three months, meditate upon the burning pyres.”
And I feel this is a profoundly psychological experiment: when death becomes very clear, lust instantly disappears.
Understand it like this: the most beautiful woman stands before you and you are full of desire; at that very moment a wire arrives: the state has decided to hang you this evening. Instantly the beautiful woman vanishes from your eyes. The current of desire in the body stops. Then no matter who tries to persuade you, your taste for lust will not remain. Death is coming at dusk!
So the seeker who wants freedom from lust should understand: this moment is the last; death may come the next moment. And this is indeed the truth—death can come the next moment. The moment I am living is the last; death is about to arrive; I am about to be torn from this body.
The deeper the contemplation of death, and the clearer the realization “I am not this body,” the more you will be free of lust. This freedom does not come from repression or indulgence; it comes from understanding.
But remember: lust is not an ordinary sense. It is more accurate to say that the sex sense is the center of all the senses. The eyes see because lust, through the eyes, is seeking form. The ears hear because lust, through the ears, is seeking sound. Music delights us so much because, through the ears, music is the satisfaction of lust. We feel bliss at beauty—a lovely painting, the rising sun, birds flying in the sky, flowers blooming on trees, a beautiful face, beautiful eyes, a graceful color—because through the eyes this is intercourse with the world. The eyes are seeking form.
Therefore, when an ugly person appears, your desire contracts; you turn your eyes away and pass on. When a beautiful person appears, you lose your self-possession.
So do not think lust expresses itself only through the genitals; it manifests through all the senses. When the hand wants to touch something, through the hand lust is seeking contact. This whole body is a sex organ; every hair of it is filled with lust.
Therefore, until identification with the body drops, there is no release from lust. Whatever else you do will merely waste time and energy, and your mind will fill with self-reproach. Again and again you will resolve to renounce, and it will not drop. And failing again and again to leave lust, slowly you will fall into self-condemnation, self‑distrust; it will seem to you, “I am worthy of nothing. I am not a fit vessel. I am a sinner, a culprit.”
And if the notion “I am a sinner, a culprit” becomes deep in anyone, the path of sadhana becomes extremely difficult in his life. So do not get involved in such small experiments.
One can be free of lust. But lust is synonymous with the lust for life. When you become free of the desire to live...
That is why Buddha said again and again: as long as there is the life‑urge, there is no liberation. As long as you want to live!
People come to Buddha and say, “Granted we will drop all desires, and the body will fall—then in moksha will we be saved or not? I will remain, won’t I? The soul will remain; the body will drop.”
And Buddha says, “It is the same story again. You do not want to be annihilated; you want to be saved. If the body perishes, you agree—because you see it will perish; there is no way to save it. So let at least the soul be saved.”
Therefore Buddha said something unique: there is no soul. He did not mean there is no soul; he said it only so that those who, under the name ‘soul,’ want to save themselves, will drop even that saving.
The life‑urge is desire. “I must live”—this is our madness. And the irony is: by living, we gain nothing; yet we still want to live. Nothing comes into our hands by living, yet whatever the difficulty, we still want to go on living. We are not willing to let life go.
Remember this maxim: the one who willingly consents to let life go—his becomes the Great Life; and the one who clutches at life like a pauper, like a beggar—nothing comes into his hands; only chains come into his hands.
First: the sex sense is not like your other senses. In truth, the sex sense is the center—the ground-source—of all your senses. The other senses lie on the surface, at the periphery; the sex sense is deep within, at the root.
If you cut off a tree’s branches, the tree does not die; new branches sprout. But if you cut the roots, the tree dies—those green branches, too, wither and fall away.
The eyes are on the surface, the hands on the surface, the ears on the surface; the sex sense is very deep. So if you do not use the eyes for three years, they will atrophy. If you do not use the ears, you will become deaf. If you do not move the hand, it will become paralyzed. If you do not use the legs, they will stiffen and lose all power. But the sex sense is different. Understand the reasons.
Every cell of your body is made out of sexual desire. The eyes are a small part, the ears a set of tiny bones; but the sex sense pervades your whole body. That first cell formed in the mother’s womb arose out of sexual desire; from the expansion of that single cell your entire body was formed. Every atom of you is filled with sexual desire.
So even if you gouge out the eyes, break the ears, cut off the hands, there will be no difference in lust. People mistake the genitals for the sex sense—that is the error. The genitals are only the bodily expression of the sex sense, the doorway for its use. But your entire body is sexual desire. Even if you cut off the genitals, lust will not end.
Lust will cease only when you experientially know your soul as utterly separate from the body. Not before. If there is even the slightest identification—“I am the body”—lust will remain to that extent. Eyes can be destroyed quite easily; lust will not be destroyed so easily.
Second: you are born out of lust. In your very birth, lust has played a profound role. So as long as the urge for life remains in you, you will not be free of lust. As long as you want to survive, to live, to remain, you will not be free—because life itself has arisen out of lust; and if you want to live, lust is strengthened.
The day your urge to live drops, and you say, “Let me be effaced, lost, dissolved—therein lies my bliss. I no longer want to survive; I will not make this body my home. I want to be free of all limitations,”—the day death, instead of life, becomes your goal, on that day lust will vanish. Before that, it will not.
Therefore, twenty‑five years—even twenty‑five births—of suppressing lust will not end it. The more you repress it, the more it grows. You may refrain from using the sex organ, but the mind remains occupied with sexual desire—so you remain entangled.
You may, for twenty‑five years, keep yourself safe from every outer form of sexuality; the protection is only on the surface, while inside the mind keeps running in lust. That inner current of desire, those thoughts in the mind, will keep the sex sense alert and alive.
In fact, the situation is the reverse: if you are allowed the excessive use of sexuality, sex may even die; if you are not allowed to use it at all, it will not die.
I was reading a collection of memoirs by a French physician, Maurice Mességué—Of Men and Plants. He was a great master of herbs and healed thousands through them. The world’s prominent people used to invite him—Churchill, famous actors, writers, poets, kings and princes. He has written all his reminiscences, including one about Prince Aly Khan, the son of the Aga Khan.
Prince Aly Khan phoned him and said, “I have a private, secret ailment; you must come.” An invitation from Prince Aly Khan is no small thing. The doctor hurried to his palace. After dismissing everyone, the Prince began to describe his problem. The physician suspected it must be sexual—hence the secrecy. Prince Aly Khan said, “My sexual desire has completely vanished. My appetite is dead. I feel no urge at all. Do something!”
The doctor asked, “How many times a month do you have intercourse?” Prince Aly Khan burst out laughing, “A month? Every day—three times a day. But the desire is totally gone. No lust arises. I do it like a mechanical act.”
This is no illness. If someone is having intercourse three times a day, of course the desire will die—and soon he himself may die.
If lust is overused, it dies; if it is not used at all, if it is repressed, it stays alive and vigorous. But neither by overuse nor by nonuse do you become free of it.
Appetite may die, yet there is an even deeper craving within that insists it must not die. Desire grows weak, yet from within the mind says, “Keep it alive—find some way.”
Often libertines find their lust has grown flaccid, while celibates’ has not—because libertines go to excess and get tired.
Gurdjieff writes in his memoirs that as a child in the Caucasus there was a particular fruit he loved so much that he often fell ill from overeating it. It was harmful, heavy, weighty. He writes that his grandfather told him, “There is only one way to be free of this: one day eat as much as you possibly can—until your last breath, until you feel death approaching. Keep eating it.” Gurdjieff said, “How will that set me free?” In fact he felt a certain relish, for at home everyone had always restrained him, “Don’t eat this, it’s not good, it will harm you.”
But when his grandfather said it, he bought a large quantity of the fruit. His grandfather sat before him and said, “Eat—as much as you want.” He kept eating. He got tired and could not take another bite. But his grandfather said, “You can still eat a little. Eat more.” Then vomiting began, then diarrhea. He was ill for three months. But after that, he says, he lost all taste for that fruit.
Suppression is certainly no path to freedom from lust; but if your sexuality becomes such that you are tormented by it—if it turns into suffering, into sorrow—then perhaps awakening may happen.
Yet even that is not enough. Giving up a fruit is one thing; giving up lust is quite another. After a few days it will return. Repress it and it persists; indulge it and it slackens for a while, then returns.
If you want freedom from lust, I told you two things. First, the vision “I am not the body” must become steady. Second, the desire for life must end.
Death is the opposite of lust. Birth happens through lust; death is lust’s antithesis. In those disciplines—such as Buddha’s—that made unique experiments on lust, death was made the foundation of practice.
When Buddha initiated someone into brahmacharya, he would say, “For three months first contemplate death at the cremation ground.” At first hearing this, you may be surprised: what has brahmacharya to do with the burning ghat and death? But Buddha would say, “For three months sit at the cremation ground—morning to evening, at night, whenever bodies are burning. That is your place of meditation. Corpses will come—children, youths, the old; the beautiful and the ugly; the healthy and the sick—people of all kinds. Just keep watching: the burning pyres, the bones snapping, skulls falling, the body turning to ash, all disappearing into smoke—just keep watching. For three months, meditate upon the burning pyres.”
And I feel this is a profoundly psychological experiment: when death becomes very clear, lust instantly disappears.
Understand it like this: the most beautiful woman stands before you and you are full of desire; at that very moment a wire arrives: the state has decided to hang you this evening. Instantly the beautiful woman vanishes from your eyes. The current of desire in the body stops. Then no matter who tries to persuade you, your taste for lust will not remain. Death is coming at dusk!
So the seeker who wants freedom from lust should understand: this moment is the last; death may come the next moment. And this is indeed the truth—death can come the next moment. The moment I am living is the last; death is about to arrive; I am about to be torn from this body.
The deeper the contemplation of death, and the clearer the realization “I am not this body,” the more you will be free of lust. This freedom does not come from repression or indulgence; it comes from understanding.
But remember: lust is not an ordinary sense. It is more accurate to say that the sex sense is the center of all the senses. The eyes see because lust, through the eyes, is seeking form. The ears hear because lust, through the ears, is seeking sound. Music delights us so much because, through the ears, music is the satisfaction of lust. We feel bliss at beauty—a lovely painting, the rising sun, birds flying in the sky, flowers blooming on trees, a beautiful face, beautiful eyes, a graceful color—because through the eyes this is intercourse with the world. The eyes are seeking form.
Therefore, when an ugly person appears, your desire contracts; you turn your eyes away and pass on. When a beautiful person appears, you lose your self-possession.
So do not think lust expresses itself only through the genitals; it manifests through all the senses. When the hand wants to touch something, through the hand lust is seeking contact. This whole body is a sex organ; every hair of it is filled with lust.
Therefore, until identification with the body drops, there is no release from lust. Whatever else you do will merely waste time and energy, and your mind will fill with self-reproach. Again and again you will resolve to renounce, and it will not drop. And failing again and again to leave lust, slowly you will fall into self-condemnation, self‑distrust; it will seem to you, “I am worthy of nothing. I am not a fit vessel. I am a sinner, a culprit.”
And if the notion “I am a sinner, a culprit” becomes deep in anyone, the path of sadhana becomes extremely difficult in his life. So do not get involved in such small experiments.
One can be free of lust. But lust is synonymous with the lust for life. When you become free of the desire to live...
That is why Buddha said again and again: as long as there is the life‑urge, there is no liberation. As long as you want to live!
People come to Buddha and say, “Granted we will drop all desires, and the body will fall—then in moksha will we be saved or not? I will remain, won’t I? The soul will remain; the body will drop.”
And Buddha says, “It is the same story again. You do not want to be annihilated; you want to be saved. If the body perishes, you agree—because you see it will perish; there is no way to save it. So let at least the soul be saved.”
Therefore Buddha said something unique: there is no soul. He did not mean there is no soul; he said it only so that those who, under the name ‘soul,’ want to save themselves, will drop even that saving.
The life‑urge is desire. “I must live”—this is our madness. And the irony is: by living, we gain nothing; yet we still want to live. Nothing comes into our hands by living, yet whatever the difficulty, we still want to go on living. We are not willing to let life go.
Remember this maxim: the one who willingly consents to let life go—his becomes the Great Life; and the one who clutches at life like a pauper, like a beggar—nothing comes into his hands; only chains come into his hands.
Third question:
Osho, you said that creativity is of the divine nature and that destruction and annihilation are demonic. But in existence both processes go on together. And it isn’t only in war that destruction happens; so-called acts of God are no less destructive.
Osho, you said that creativity is of the divine nature and that destruction and annihilation are demonic. But in existence both processes go on together. And it isn’t only in war that destruction happens; so-called acts of God are no less destructive.
The divine quality is creative; this does not mean that the one who creates does not also efface. To make, one has to unmake. If you want to carve a statue, you have to cut away the stone. If you want a tree to be born, the seed has to disappear. If you want to find God, you have to let your self be erased. Creativity does not happen without some dissolving. Something goes so that something can come. Dissolution is the very experiment of becoming.
Then what is the difference? Because the divine quality also erases, and the demonic quality also erases. What distinguishes them?
The difference is in the goal. The divine quality always erases in order to create. The demonic quality erases in order to erase. Even when the demonic seems to build, it builds only to destroy.
The difference is this: if the demonic quality appears to be creating, understand that it is creating only so that it can destroy. That kind of building is like keeping a goat at home—feeding it well, serving it—because on the day of sacrifice you will slaughter it. You wash it, you tend it, you feed it; no one worships such a goat as much as you do. But on the day of sacrifice you cut it and then feast: that is the preparation underway. You are raising it in order to kill.
In the demonic, the goal is destruction. But even what is to be destroyed must first be made—otherwise how will you destroy it?
In the divine, the goal is creation. If something has to be removed, it is with the vision to build. If you want to erect a new house, the old one must be pulled down. When the ground is cleared of the old, the new can arise.
In all creation destruction is hidden; in all destruction creation is hidden. The difference is the aim. The divine quality always thinks of bringing forth. If it must erase, it is only so that something nobler can be born. The demonic quality always thinks of destroying. If it must build, it is only so that it may build in order to destroy.
Keep the goal in mind and the matter becomes simple and clear. Where is your relish? Is it in tearing down, or in creating?
If that relish stays in your awareness, then break as much as you must—there is no harm. But let every breaking be a step toward making. Then even in your destruction there is creation; then even in your war there is peace. Whatever you do, if this goal remains present in your awareness, whatever you do will be auspicious.
The world is a duality. There is destruction, and there is construction. Which of the two you place above will determine your quality.
Then what is the difference? Because the divine quality also erases, and the demonic quality also erases. What distinguishes them?
The difference is in the goal. The divine quality always erases in order to create. The demonic quality erases in order to erase. Even when the demonic seems to build, it builds only to destroy.
The difference is this: if the demonic quality appears to be creating, understand that it is creating only so that it can destroy. That kind of building is like keeping a goat at home—feeding it well, serving it—because on the day of sacrifice you will slaughter it. You wash it, you tend it, you feed it; no one worships such a goat as much as you do. But on the day of sacrifice you cut it and then feast: that is the preparation underway. You are raising it in order to kill.
In the demonic, the goal is destruction. But even what is to be destroyed must first be made—otherwise how will you destroy it?
In the divine, the goal is creation. If something has to be removed, it is with the vision to build. If you want to erect a new house, the old one must be pulled down. When the ground is cleared of the old, the new can arise.
In all creation destruction is hidden; in all destruction creation is hidden. The difference is the aim. The divine quality always thinks of bringing forth. If it must erase, it is only so that something nobler can be born. The demonic quality always thinks of destroying. If it must build, it is only so that it may build in order to destroy.
Keep the goal in mind and the matter becomes simple and clear. Where is your relish? Is it in tearing down, or in creating?
If that relish stays in your awareness, then break as much as you must—there is no harm. But let every breaking be a step toward making. Then even in your destruction there is creation; then even in your war there is peace. Whatever you do, if this goal remains present in your awareness, whatever you do will be auspicious.
The world is a duality. There is destruction, and there is construction. Which of the two you place above will determine your quality.
Fourth question:
Osho, you said that each person is an end in himself, of ultimate value. This principle of divine endowment is easy to apply to oneself, but very difficult to apply to others. Why is that?
Osho, you said that each person is an end in himself, of ultimate value. This principle of divine endowment is easy to apply to oneself, but very difficult to apply to others. Why is that?
It’s obvious. It is easy to apply it to oneself, because everyone thinks, “I am the end and all others are my means. I am the goal; this whole world is for me. The sky for me, the moon and stars for me, trees and plants, animals and birds for me. I am the center.”
Anyone can think like that. There is no question of divine endowment here. This is precisely the core of demonic endowment: “I am the center of the world; everything revolves around me. Even if everything perishes for my sake, it does not matter—let me be saved.” To make everything a means for oneself—that is the very center of demonic endowment.
The center of divine endowment is this: the other is the goal, the other is the end; I must not use him as a means. He is of ultimate value. I can serve him, but not exploit him. If the need arises for someone to be erased, then for his sake I can erase myself—but I will not erase him.
Sometimes, in a few moments of life, you feel this way toward a person; we call that love. When you begin to feel this way toward the whole world, we call that prayer.
Sometimes toward one person it arises: “Even if I perish, let this person be saved”—then he has become the end. A mother can die for her child, or a wife for her husband, or a husband lose himself for his wife. If even for a moment with one person you feel, “I am nothing; he is everything. I am the periphery; he is the center,” then love has happened.
Therefore love is a spiritual phenomenon—small, yet immensely valuable. It is a spark, not the sun; but it is the same fire that burns in the sun. And if this spark spreads, one day it can become a sun. The day it happens for the entire world, know that it is prayer.
Mahavira would blow upon the ground before placing his foot, lest even an ant be killed—because it too is of ultimate value. The ant too is an end; it is not our means to be treated however we please.
Kanada would not pluck fruits from trees. He would gather the grains that had fallen in the fields by themselves, dried and ripened; hence his name, Kanad—one who lives by picking grain by grain. He would not pluck even unripe fruit, for the tree is not our means. The tree has its own life. The tree is valuable in itself. We cannot exploit it. The very notion of ahimsa, nonviolence, is formed from this insight. Whatever in life is ultimate, truly beneficial, it all flows from this vision.
But the first thing—putting oneself at the center—is very easy. We all feel, “I alone am the center; my interest, my self-interest, my ego! All else...”
I have heard: In Greece a king once summoned Solon, the great sage of those days, to his palace. Solon was a thinker like Socrates. The king called him simply because Solon was so renowned—each of his words had immeasurable worth. He did not call him to learn anything, to take wisdom from him, but merely to show off: “Look at my palace! My empire! My wealth!” The king wanted Solon to declare, “No one is as happy as you,” so that the statement would carry value—Greece and lands beyond would say, “Solon has said so.”
Solon came; the palace was shown to him. The king possessed immense wealth—who knows how much he had plundered! Piles of precious stones, treasures of gold, the palace decked out like a bride. The king, having shown it all, waited for Solon to say something. But Solon remained silent—and not only silent, he grew increasingly grave; and not just grave, he became so sad it was as if the king lay dying and Solon had come to see him.
At last the king said, “Do you understand or not? I’ve heard you are very wise! Have you ever seen a man as happy as I am? I have attained the supreme happiness. Solon, say something!”
Solon said, “It is better I remain silent, because I cannot call the momentary ‘happiness.’ And what is not eternal cannot contain happiness. O king, all this is suffering. It is very glittering, but it is suffering. If you think this is happiness, you are a fool.”
The king was shocked. What had to happen, happened. It would have been better had Solon kept quiet. On the spot the king ordered him shot. Tied and hung from a pillar in the palace courtyard, the king said, “Even now, ask forgiveness. You are in the wrong. Even now say, ‘O king, you are happy.’”
Solon said, “I will not tell a lie. There is no harm in death, because I have to die anyway; the pretext under which I die is secondary. Whether you kill me, or disease kills me, or I die on my own—that is all secondary. Death is certain. I will not lie. Only eternal happiness is happiness. The momentary appears to be happiness, but it is suffering. O king, you are in delusion.”
He was shot.
Ten years later that same king was defeated. The victor tied him to a pillar before his own palace. As he hung there, about to be shot, he suddenly remembered Solon. Exactly ten years earlier Solon had hung from such a pillar! Then Solon’s words rang in his ears: “What is not eternal is not happiness. What is momentary has no value. This is glittering misery, O king!” Mistaking that glittering misery for happiness, the king found himself hanging on this pillar.
The king’s eyes closed. He forgot himself and began to see Solon. And as he was being shot, there was a smile on his lips. The last words that came from his mouth were: “Solon, Solon, forgive me. You were right.”
The victorious king was astonished to hear it. “Who is Solon? Whose words are right? And what is this smile on the lips of a dying king?” He had the whole matter investigated, and only then did the story emerge.
That which appears to us as happiness is not happiness. And for that which appears to be happiness we make everyone else suffer, we use everyone as a means, we suck them dry, we exploit.
Our own life seems so valuable to us that even if everyone else must die for it, it feels no great loss. If by placing our feet on other people’s heads, using them as steps, we can reach the palace, we will use their heads as stairs. All ambitious people do this. For them, people are nothing more than rungs on a ladder. Whether one is traveling toward wealth or toward position, one uses people as steps. All politicians know this.
Machiavelli, the greatest philosopher of politicians, wrote: “When you have used a man as a ladder, do not leave him alive afterward. Cut him down. For if you could use him as a ladder, others can use him as well.”
Therefore all politicians do exactly that. On the very shoulders by which a politician climbs to the post of president or prime minister, the moment he arrives he sets about bringing that man down—because he is dangerous; tomorrow someone else may mount those same shoulders. Before another can climb on him, he must be destroyed—or sent where he can never serve as a ladder.
Thus all politicians burn the ladders they climb, break the roads they pass, and demolish the bridges they cross, so that no one can follow behind them. The one traveling toward wealth does the same.
The ambitious man considers himself the end and the other a means. An ambitious person can never be religious. Ambition is the most irreligious phenomenon in this world.
The formula of religion is what Krishna declares: the other is not a means, the other is an end. One endowed with the divine qualities sees the other as an end. If the need arises, he can become the ladder, but he will not make the other into a ladder. For his own happiness, another’s suffering is out of the question. Only if his happiness can come through the happiness of others will a person of divine endowment accept that happiness.
And mark this well: if your happiness makes the other happy, that happiness is bliss. This is the distinguishing mark of bliss. If your happiness makes another unhappy, it is not bliss. It only appears to be happiness; it is not happiness at all. And one day you will experience it, and a voice will arise within you too: “Solon, Solon, you were right. Forgive me. I was in the wrong.”
Only that is joy in which the happiness of those around you also flowers. Then no one will ever be able to snatch it away.
Divine and demonic endowment are divided by how we use others—by the manner in which we relate to them. One with divine endowment does not use the other; he becomes of use to the other.
Therefore Jesus, and sages like him, made service—service of the other—the cornerstone of religion. There lies the value: if the need arises, you may disappear for the sake of another, but never make anyone disappear for your sake.
Anyone can think like that. There is no question of divine endowment here. This is precisely the core of demonic endowment: “I am the center of the world; everything revolves around me. Even if everything perishes for my sake, it does not matter—let me be saved.” To make everything a means for oneself—that is the very center of demonic endowment.
The center of divine endowment is this: the other is the goal, the other is the end; I must not use him as a means. He is of ultimate value. I can serve him, but not exploit him. If the need arises for someone to be erased, then for his sake I can erase myself—but I will not erase him.
Sometimes, in a few moments of life, you feel this way toward a person; we call that love. When you begin to feel this way toward the whole world, we call that prayer.
Sometimes toward one person it arises: “Even if I perish, let this person be saved”—then he has become the end. A mother can die for her child, or a wife for her husband, or a husband lose himself for his wife. If even for a moment with one person you feel, “I am nothing; he is everything. I am the periphery; he is the center,” then love has happened.
Therefore love is a spiritual phenomenon—small, yet immensely valuable. It is a spark, not the sun; but it is the same fire that burns in the sun. And if this spark spreads, one day it can become a sun. The day it happens for the entire world, know that it is prayer.
Mahavira would blow upon the ground before placing his foot, lest even an ant be killed—because it too is of ultimate value. The ant too is an end; it is not our means to be treated however we please.
Kanada would not pluck fruits from trees. He would gather the grains that had fallen in the fields by themselves, dried and ripened; hence his name, Kanad—one who lives by picking grain by grain. He would not pluck even unripe fruit, for the tree is not our means. The tree has its own life. The tree is valuable in itself. We cannot exploit it. The very notion of ahimsa, nonviolence, is formed from this insight. Whatever in life is ultimate, truly beneficial, it all flows from this vision.
But the first thing—putting oneself at the center—is very easy. We all feel, “I alone am the center; my interest, my self-interest, my ego! All else...”
I have heard: In Greece a king once summoned Solon, the great sage of those days, to his palace. Solon was a thinker like Socrates. The king called him simply because Solon was so renowned—each of his words had immeasurable worth. He did not call him to learn anything, to take wisdom from him, but merely to show off: “Look at my palace! My empire! My wealth!” The king wanted Solon to declare, “No one is as happy as you,” so that the statement would carry value—Greece and lands beyond would say, “Solon has said so.”
Solon came; the palace was shown to him. The king possessed immense wealth—who knows how much he had plundered! Piles of precious stones, treasures of gold, the palace decked out like a bride. The king, having shown it all, waited for Solon to say something. But Solon remained silent—and not only silent, he grew increasingly grave; and not just grave, he became so sad it was as if the king lay dying and Solon had come to see him.
At last the king said, “Do you understand or not? I’ve heard you are very wise! Have you ever seen a man as happy as I am? I have attained the supreme happiness. Solon, say something!”
Solon said, “It is better I remain silent, because I cannot call the momentary ‘happiness.’ And what is not eternal cannot contain happiness. O king, all this is suffering. It is very glittering, but it is suffering. If you think this is happiness, you are a fool.”
The king was shocked. What had to happen, happened. It would have been better had Solon kept quiet. On the spot the king ordered him shot. Tied and hung from a pillar in the palace courtyard, the king said, “Even now, ask forgiveness. You are in the wrong. Even now say, ‘O king, you are happy.’”
Solon said, “I will not tell a lie. There is no harm in death, because I have to die anyway; the pretext under which I die is secondary. Whether you kill me, or disease kills me, or I die on my own—that is all secondary. Death is certain. I will not lie. Only eternal happiness is happiness. The momentary appears to be happiness, but it is suffering. O king, you are in delusion.”
He was shot.
Ten years later that same king was defeated. The victor tied him to a pillar before his own palace. As he hung there, about to be shot, he suddenly remembered Solon. Exactly ten years earlier Solon had hung from such a pillar! Then Solon’s words rang in his ears: “What is not eternal is not happiness. What is momentary has no value. This is glittering misery, O king!” Mistaking that glittering misery for happiness, the king found himself hanging on this pillar.
The king’s eyes closed. He forgot himself and began to see Solon. And as he was being shot, there was a smile on his lips. The last words that came from his mouth were: “Solon, Solon, forgive me. You were right.”
The victorious king was astonished to hear it. “Who is Solon? Whose words are right? And what is this smile on the lips of a dying king?” He had the whole matter investigated, and only then did the story emerge.
That which appears to us as happiness is not happiness. And for that which appears to be happiness we make everyone else suffer, we use everyone as a means, we suck them dry, we exploit.
Our own life seems so valuable to us that even if everyone else must die for it, it feels no great loss. If by placing our feet on other people’s heads, using them as steps, we can reach the palace, we will use their heads as stairs. All ambitious people do this. For them, people are nothing more than rungs on a ladder. Whether one is traveling toward wealth or toward position, one uses people as steps. All politicians know this.
Machiavelli, the greatest philosopher of politicians, wrote: “When you have used a man as a ladder, do not leave him alive afterward. Cut him down. For if you could use him as a ladder, others can use him as well.”
Therefore all politicians do exactly that. On the very shoulders by which a politician climbs to the post of president or prime minister, the moment he arrives he sets about bringing that man down—because he is dangerous; tomorrow someone else may mount those same shoulders. Before another can climb on him, he must be destroyed—or sent where he can never serve as a ladder.
Thus all politicians burn the ladders they climb, break the roads they pass, and demolish the bridges they cross, so that no one can follow behind them. The one traveling toward wealth does the same.
The ambitious man considers himself the end and the other a means. An ambitious person can never be religious. Ambition is the most irreligious phenomenon in this world.
The formula of religion is what Krishna declares: the other is not a means, the other is an end. One endowed with the divine qualities sees the other as an end. If the need arises, he can become the ladder, but he will not make the other into a ladder. For his own happiness, another’s suffering is out of the question. Only if his happiness can come through the happiness of others will a person of divine endowment accept that happiness.
And mark this well: if your happiness makes the other happy, that happiness is bliss. This is the distinguishing mark of bliss. If your happiness makes another unhappy, it is not bliss. It only appears to be happiness; it is not happiness at all. And one day you will experience it, and a voice will arise within you too: “Solon, Solon, you were right. Forgive me. I was in the wrong.”
Only that is joy in which the happiness of those around you also flowers. Then no one will ever be able to snatch it away.
Divine and demonic endowment are divided by how we use others—by the manner in which we relate to them. One with divine endowment does not use the other; he becomes of use to the other.
Therefore Jesus, and sages like him, made service—service of the other—the cornerstone of religion. There lies the value: if the need arises, you may disappear for the sake of another, but never make anyone disappear for your sake.
The question has been asked: How can it be possible for us to take the other as the end to be attained?
It is not a matter of “understanding”; it is a fact. The reality is that you are not the center of this world. You are a small wave. In this vast existence you are a tiny particle. This vast existence is not for you; you are for this vast existence. The moment this enters your awareness…
And to bring this into awareness, nothing needs to be thought—only open your eyes, and it is seen.
You were not yesterday; today you are; tomorrow you will not be. This existence was before you, is now, and will be after you. You rise out of this existence and you dissolve back into it. Existence is greater than you, immense. You are a small part. A part cannot be the center; only the Whole can be the center. If the part thinks to erase all others and save itself, that is madness—it will not happen; the part itself will be erased. But if the part thinks to erase itself to save the Whole, it will never be erased—because the Whole accepts it. It becomes assimilated and one with the Whole.
Those whom we call God-realized—Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira—we call them God-realized for this very reason: they left their “part-hood” in the Whole. Now they are not fighting; now they have no opposition to this world. They are not even a hair’s breadth separate from existence. They have wholly surrendered and dissolved into it.
The person who takes himself to be the end—how can he dissolve? How can he surrender? The one who takes himself to be a means, an instrument—he dissolves instantly.
Krishna’s entire teaching to Arjuna is simply this: become an instrument (nimitta). Drop the very notion that “you are.” Understand that only the Divine is, and you are merely his passage—his flute. The Divine is speaking; the voice is his; you are only a hollow reed. Merely give way; let the notes flow; do not obstruct.
How do we attain this?
It is not a matter of “how to attain.” This is the state that already is. A little alertness and opening of the eyes is all that is needed. It is so. Just as you have two eyes and two hands; you sit with your eyes closed and say, “How should I believe I have two hands?” I would say: open your eyes and see—there are two hands. There is no need to believe; there is only the need to open your eyes.
Whenever you look a little around you, it will not be difficult to understand that you cannot be the center. To believe “I am the center” is derangement.
And to bring this into awareness, nothing needs to be thought—only open your eyes, and it is seen.
You were not yesterday; today you are; tomorrow you will not be. This existence was before you, is now, and will be after you. You rise out of this existence and you dissolve back into it. Existence is greater than you, immense. You are a small part. A part cannot be the center; only the Whole can be the center. If the part thinks to erase all others and save itself, that is madness—it will not happen; the part itself will be erased. But if the part thinks to erase itself to save the Whole, it will never be erased—because the Whole accepts it. It becomes assimilated and one with the Whole.
Those whom we call God-realized—Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira—we call them God-realized for this very reason: they left their “part-hood” in the Whole. Now they are not fighting; now they have no opposition to this world. They are not even a hair’s breadth separate from existence. They have wholly surrendered and dissolved into it.
The person who takes himself to be the end—how can he dissolve? How can he surrender? The one who takes himself to be a means, an instrument—he dissolves instantly.
Krishna’s entire teaching to Arjuna is simply this: become an instrument (nimitta). Drop the very notion that “you are.” Understand that only the Divine is, and you are merely his passage—his flute. The Divine is speaking; the voice is his; you are only a hollow reed. Merely give way; let the notes flow; do not obstruct.
How do we attain this?
It is not a matter of “how to attain.” This is the state that already is. A little alertness and opening of the eyes is all that is needed. It is so. Just as you have two eyes and two hands; you sit with your eyes closed and say, “How should I believe I have two hands?” I would say: open your eyes and see—there are two hands. There is no need to believe; there is only the need to open your eyes.
Whenever you look a little around you, it will not be difficult to understand that you cannot be the center. To believe “I am the center” is derangement.
Osho's Commentary
Those arrogant men who consider only themselves to be supreme, filled with the intoxication of wealth and honor, devoid of the discipline of the scriptures, perform merely nominal sacrifices—worship steeped in hypocrisy.
And devoted to ego, power, pride, desire, and anger, slandering others, they hate me—the indwelling One—who abides in their own body and in the bodies of others.
Such hateful, sinful, cruel, lowest of men I cast, again and again, into demoniac wombs in this world. Therefore, Arjuna, those deluded men, birth after birth attaining demoniac wombs, failing to attain me, go to even lower destinies.
Those of demonic wealth (asuri sampada) consider only themselves superior. For them superiority has but one meaning: whatever I am—that is superiority. They see no difference between superiority and ego.
Napoleon Bonaparte said… He made certain laws, then changed them, then changed them again. His ministers protested: “What are you doing? Laws should be stable. This way there will be anarchy.” Napoleon said, “I am the law—there is no other law; I am the law. Whatever issues from me, that is the law. No law stands above me; I alone am the law.”
This is the primary mark of the demonic temperament: “I am superior.”
And filled with the intoxication of wealth and honor…
Even if such people perform religion, their religion is nothing but the display of wealth and pride. They can erect a great temple that touches the sky; they can perform sacrifices and spend millions. But this too is only the journey of their ego. The meaning of their temple is: none can build a bigger one than mine. The meaning of their sacrifice is: such a sacrifice has never occurred on earth. Their religion has but one purpose—to prove their superiority.
Devoid of the scriptural way, they perform only name-sake sacrifices, worship steeped in hypocrisy…
If they do anything auspicious, it will be only so that they may be worshipped. If they do some charity, it will be only so that they may be known. The target of their every act is themselves.
And devoted to ego, power, pride, desire, anger, and slander of others, they hate me, the indweller abiding in their and others’ bodies.
Wherever God is, they will feel aversion. Why? Because the acceptance of God is the refutation of their ego.
Nietzsche wrote in one of his sayings—when he had gone mad, he wrote it in his diary—“I cannot accept God, because if God is, then I am number two. Therefore I cannot accept God. I can be number one, or there can be no number one at all. But if God is anywhere, then I fall behind; my position becomes low.”
Hence for one of demonic disposition it is extremely difficult to accept God. Not because he knows God is not; not even because arguments prove God is not. He will also argue, he will also “prove.” But neither do arguments prove that God is, nor that God is not. Understand this a little.
Human intellect can decide neither for nor against. For millennia countless arguments have been offered; as many for as against—an equal balance. No theist can persuade an atheist that God is; no atheist can persuade a theist that God is not. Both sets of arguments are equally matched. Nothing is decided by logic.
And yet some people believe God is; some believe he is not. On what basis—since logic proves nothing? Then the basis must be other: the basis is asuri sampada and daivi sampada—the demonic and the divine dispositions.
Those who think “I alone am superior; none stands above me” cannot accept God. Then they find arguments. But those arguments come afterward—they are rationalizations, devices to justify what one has already decided.
And there are others who know, “How could I be the center? I am only a wave.” They accept God. Their acceptance too does not come from logic; it comes from their divine disposition.
Between these two are most people—those who have decided nothing. Those whom we commonly call “believers” are these middle people; they are not believers. They have never attended to whether God is or is not. Most of you belong to that third group.
If you say, “He must be,” that does not mean you believe God is. You believe he is not even worth thinking about. People say, “He must be—and what’s the harm? If he is, so be it. And if once or twice a year we drop by the temple, what is gained or lost? And a clever man keeps a foot in both boats. If there is God, there will be no hassle after death. If there isn’t, we have lost nothing. We enjoyed the world—and kept believing that God is. We are riding both boats.”
Very few are those who truly hold that God is: they are the ones who break their ego, drop pride, let conceit fall. Many are those who hold that God is not: their only reason is that they have taken themselves to be the end; therefore accepting the Supreme above themselves is not easy. And more still are those who have no concern, no purpose, who are filled with indifference.
Where are you among these? And wherever you are, the amusing thing is: you will find arguments to fit it.
Freud made a great discovery in this century: people decide first; then they search for arguments. You fall in love with a woman. Someone asks you, “Why are you in love?” You say, “She is so beautiful.”
But Freud says the matter is exactly the reverse. That woman does not appear beautiful to others. You say, “Because she is beautiful, I fell in love.” Freud says, “Because you fell in love, she appears beautiful.”
This seems more correct, because no one else finds her beautiful. Perhaps others even find her ugly. Perhaps others are astonished that you have lost your wits and fallen for this woman. And you think, “What a foolish world; ignorant people! They cannot see her true form.”
In love we fall first; the reasons we collect later.
You see someone and at once begin to hate; then you search for reasons, for causes. Because without reasons we feel awkward. If someone asks, “Why do you hate?” and we say, “For no reason,” we will appear foolish. So we search: “This man is a Muslim; Muslims are bad.” “This man is a Hindu; Hindus are not good.” “This man eats meat.” “This man’s character is bad.” You find a thousand reasons. You searched for those reasons afterward. The feeling was formed first. Feeling is unconscious; reasons are conscious.
Freud’s discovery is precious: everyone lives like a blind man and, to prove “I am not blind,” he contrives reasons. He called them rationalizations. Then he labels them “rational.”
The same happens with God, with the guru.
I have heard: two youths went to a Sufi fakir. They were eager to practice and to seek truth. The fakir said, “Truth and practice a little later; first I need something else from you. The ashram has run out of firewood, so you two go to the forest and gather wood. And make separate piles, because your piles will not be only piles of wood; I also have another test to make with them.”
The two youths went and made two piles. After seven days the master came. He tried to set fire to the first youth’s pile. He struggled till evening. Tears came to his eyes. There was nothing but smoke; no fire. All the wood was wet. What did the disciple say to the master? “I’m leaving. If you don’t know how to light a fire, what will you change in me!”
Then the master lit the second youth’s pile; the wood flared up. It was dry. The second youth had been watching the first incident too.
The first youth had left and had already begun spreading the word in the village: “That man is utterly useless. First he wasted our seven days, making us collect wood. We had gone to seek truth! No sense, no connection. Then we collected wood with sweat and toil—and he doesn’t even know how to light a fire. He spoiled the wood, created smoke, hurt our eyes. He is good for nothing. No one should ever go to him again.”
The second youth also saw that the first had gone. When his own wood flared up, he said, “Enough—stop. Don’t assume you are very clever. The wood was dry—that’s why it burns; there’s no special skill of yours in this. And I am leaving. If you take this to be your knowledge—that you have done some great thing by lighting dry wood—what is there for me to learn from you!”
Both youths left. The master returned to the ashram, smiling. People asked him, “What happened?” He said, “Exactly the opposite of what should have happened. If the first youth had said, ‘The wood is wet; I am wet—that’s why you are having such difficulty lighting it,’ his path would have opened. If the second youth had said, ‘It is your grace that my wood has caught fire,’ his path would have opened. But both closed their own paths. And now both are out preaching; both have formed their conclusions, and both are gathering arguments to support them. They did not ask me; they did not look toward me. What was I doing? What was my purpose? They made no inquiry. They have gone off, taking a few surface impressions.”
You too—wherever you have to regard another as superior—face great difficulty. To consider another lower than oneself is altogether easy. We are always ready for that. We have already assumed the other is inferior. Only an opportunity is needed—and it will be “proved.”
And if ever someone does get ahead of us, we “know”: there must be trickery, mischief, fraud, nepotism—something or other—only then could he get ahead; otherwise how could anyone possibly go ahead of me! If someone falls behind us, we think, “He will remain behind, because one needs some qualification to get ahead of me.”
Whatever we are, wherever we stand, we find arguments to fit.
Whether God is or is not is not the big question. The person who can accept that God is has bent himself—this is the big thing. Even if God were not, for one who accepts and bows, he will come to be. And the one who says “God is not”—even if God is—has stiffened himself. Even if there is God, for him he will not be—because his doors are shut.
That one of demonic wealth, devoted to ego, power, pride, desire, and anger, slandering others, hating me, the indweller in others’ bodies—such hateful, sinful, cruel, lowest of men I cast, again and again, into demoniac wombs.
This statement will cause some difficulty, because it seems, “Why would God cast them down?” It should be that if someone is falling into demonic tendencies, God would stop him, save him, have compassion—because we constantly pray, “O purifier of the fallen! O ocean of compassion! Have mercy, save me, I am a sinner.” And here Krishna says: “Such hateful, sinful, cruel, lowest of men I cast, again and again, into demoniac wombs!”
When Christians or Muslims read such a statement, they feel great difficulty—because in Islam all the names of God—Rahim, Rahman, Karim—are names of compassion: he is merciful. What kind of mercy is this? And Jesus said: pray, and all kinds of forgiveness are possible; call out, and you will be forgiven.
But Krishna’s statement? Its meaning is—and this is the Indian discovery—that God is not a person whom you can call and he will forgive. God is not a person whom you can cajole or placate—by praise, flattery, hymns—and he will change things. God is a law, not a person. Understand this a little.
God is an order, not a person. If a man puts his hand in fire, the fire burns. Fire is not eager to burn; it does not run after the man to burn him. But if the man puts his hand into the fire, it burns—because burning is its nature; that is its law. If we asked the fire, it would say, “Whoever puts his hand in me, I will burn.” Fire does not speak, so we don’t think this way.
Krishna is speaking on behalf of God—on behalf of that universal law, that foundation of life. He says: “He who acts in such a way, who holds such a vision and attitude, who sinks into sin—I bring him down.” The sole meaning of “I bring him down” is: by acting thus he falls by himself; no God is pushing him. There is no need to push. He falls because he acts so.
Therefore India’s deepest discovery is the principle of karma. So deep that Jains and Buddhists dismissed God altogether; they said: this principle is enough. There is no need to bring in God. They denied God—there is no need for him in the middle. Karma makes the matter clear—and it truly does.
But there is no need to deny God either, because “God” means that great law which runs life. Whether we call it the law of karma or call it God, it is the same.
What falls by your own hand, the law causes to fall. You walk on the ground carefully, and it is fine. Walk carelessly, upside-down, and you fall; your limbs break. No ground throws you. But the one who goes contrary to the law breaks his limbs. The ground does not, by will or desire, break you. But the ground has a law: whoever goes against it is broken; whoever goes with it reaches his destination with ease.
To understand the law of the world and to move in accord with it is called dharma.
Buddha defined dharma as “the law.” When Buddha says, “Dhammam saranam gacchami”—I go for refuge to dharma—his meaning is: go for refuge to the law. Move in accord with the law and you will be liberated. Move contrary to it and you will bind yourself by your own hand. Go against the law and you will suffer. Go with it and you will attain bliss.
Therefore, Arjuna, those foolish men, birth after birth attaining demoniac wombs, failing to attain me, go to even lower destinies.
Once a person begins to fall, he gathers momentum. Falling too gains speed. If you speak one lie, then a second, a third, a fourth—and each bigger than the previous to cover the earlier lies. Then a momentum sets in—and it has no end.
Commit one sin, then another, then a third—bigger and bigger—and you fall by your own hand. And if you want to fall, the law cooperates. If you want to rise, the law becomes a ladder. In deep understanding, by what you do your direction is formed.
You rise in the morning and become angry—you have chosen the day. The second anger will be easier than the first; the third easier than the second. By evening you will have been angry many times and think, “Who knows whose wretched face I saw!” In the mirror you must have seen your own. Someone else’s face has no connection with the movement of your life; it is connected only with you.
Therefore all the religions have cared that, on rising in the morning, the first act be prayer to God. That will change the momentum; it will change the current. After prayer, to flare up in anger at once becomes difficult. And after prayer, being prayerful becomes easier.
What is true regarding the wrong is equally true regarding the right. What you do brings more movement in that same direction. The way you walk, in that way you begin to run. Choosing direction is crucial. If, upon waking, love and prayer and compassion fill the heart, your day’s journey will be altogether different. But if you miss the morning, it becomes very difficult.
The same applies to the whole of life. If in childhood the direction becomes one of prayer and God, the journey of life becomes easy. Therefore, in this land in earlier times, we would send our children first to the gurukul—so that up to twenty-five they would live a prayerful life. That builds the current; a path for the journey is formed. Then everything proceeds very easily.
Once childhood is lost, the current is disturbed, the feet become unsteady, the opposite direction is grasped; then you begin to run in that very direction. Youth is the name of running. The direction you grasped in childhood—youth runs in that direction. Old age is a slope. In the direction you ran in youth, in that direction you will slope in old age, because strength then diminishes.
Even psychologists now accept that the direction we give a child by age seven, in ninety-nine out of a hundred cases he will travel in for life. Later it takes great strength to change direction. In the beginning, changing direction is easy. The plant is tender; it bends. Once the path is taken, breaking that bend is very difficult.
There is no way now to return to childhood. But every morning you recover a little of childhood. At least give the day a direction. Days keep joining; many days joined together become a life. Restrain yourself from taking a wrong step. If it is taken, turn back midway. Put all your strength into taking the right step; even if you can go halfway, it is better than not going. In a few days your life-energy will change direction.
The demonic direction—in which we are engaged—anger, prestige, ego—keeps pushing us forward in it. If you do not stop, do not change, do not withdraw your hand, do not drop anything wrong, if your hands are not emptied—it is very difficult to move toward the divine wealth. And the direction in which you go…
Krishna says: “I cast them into even lower wombs.”
He does not “cast.” There is no one to cast, no one to lift. You fall by yourself. The law neither favors nor chooses; the law is impartial. Therefore whatever you are is the sum of three: your energy, the law, and your choice.
The law is eternal; your energy is eternal—these two are parallel. Between them is one more element: your choice—whether to flow your energy in accord with the law or against it.
The river is flowing; the boat is with you—that is your life; the river is the law. Now, will you let the boat flow with the river, or will you set the boat to fight the river?
The one who flows against the river attains the demonic state of mind. The one who flows with the river—flowing-with is what we call surrender—attains divinity.
That is all for today.