Outside and within all beings; unmoving, yet moving.।
By its subtlety it is unknowable; far off, and yet so near.।। 15।।
Undivided among beings, yet as if divided, it stands.।
Know That as the Sustainer of beings—devouring, and bringing forth.।। 16।।
Even the Light of lights, it is said to be beyond darkness.।
Knowledge, the knowable, the goal reached by knowledge, abiding in the heart of all.।। 17।।
Geeta Darshan #6
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Read in Original Hindi (मूल हिन्दी)
Sutra (Original)
बहिरन्तश्च भूतानामचरं चरमेव च।
सूक्ष्मत्वात्तदविज्ञेयं दूरस्थं चान्तिके च तत्।। 15।।
अविभक्तं च भूतेषु विभक्तमिव च स्थितम्।
भूतभर्तृ च तज्ज्ञेयं ग्रसिष्णु प्रभविष्णु च।। 16।।
ज्योतिषामपि तज्ज्योतिस्तमसः परमुच्यते।
ज्ञानं ज्ञेयं ज्ञानगम्यं हृदि सर्वस्य विष्ठितम्।। 17।।
सूक्ष्मत्वात्तदविज्ञेयं दूरस्थं चान्तिके च तत्।। 15।।
अविभक्तं च भूतेषु विभक्तमिव च स्थितम्।
भूतभर्तृ च तज्ज्ञेयं ग्रसिष्णु प्रभविष्णु च।। 16।।
ज्योतिषामपि तज्ज्योतिस्तमसः परमुच्यते।
ज्ञानं ज्ञेयं ज्ञानगम्यं हृदि सर्वस्य विष्ठितम्।। 17।।
Transliteration:
bahirantaśca bhūtānāmacaraṃ carameva ca|
sūkṣmatvāttadavijñeyaṃ dūrasthaṃ cāntike ca tat|| 15||
avibhaktaṃ ca bhūteṣu vibhaktamiva ca sthitam|
bhūtabhartṛ ca tajjñeyaṃ grasiṣṇu prabhaviṣṇu ca|| 16||
jyotiṣāmapi tajjyotistamasaḥ paramucyate|
jñānaṃ jñeyaṃ jñānagamyaṃ hṛdi sarvasya viṣṭhitam|| 17||
bahirantaśca bhūtānāmacaraṃ carameva ca|
sūkṣmatvāttadavijñeyaṃ dūrasthaṃ cāntike ca tat|| 15||
avibhaktaṃ ca bhūteṣu vibhaktamiva ca sthitam|
bhūtabhartṛ ca tajjñeyaṃ grasiṣṇu prabhaviṣṇu ca|| 16||
jyotiṣāmapi tajjyotistamasaḥ paramucyate|
jñānaṃ jñeyaṃ jñānagamyaṃ hṛdi sarvasya viṣṭhitam|| 17||
Translation (Meaning)
Questions in this Discourse
A friend has asked, Osho, when you speak, it feels fine. Sometimes you also give a brief formula for silent meditation; that too is fine. But when your kirtan practice is underway, the same mood simply doesn’t arise in me as in those on the stage who dance so vigorously!
Three things should be understood. First, finding spoken words agreeable is not of much value. Liking what is said can be mere entertainment; it can be only an intellectual exercise. Or it may be that what you are hearing aligns with what you want to hear, so it feels enjoyable. It may also be that for a while the mind gets entangled in the talk and your worries, troubles, and restlessness are forgotten. There can be many reasons.
It may also feel good because the Gita is dear to you, the scripture of your religion; then your ego gets nourishment that “the Gita is right.” Your sectarian conditioning finds support that what we believe is perfectly right—that the Gita is a great scripture.
But if only the speaking feels good, there is no real benefit; there can even be harm. Some people live only in words. They read and listen all their lives and never do anything. Such people will waste life, and at the time of death nothing will remain in their hands except regret. For what I have said about the Gita will not be of use when death comes. What did you do? Listening is not of value. What you did—that is what has value. But when it comes to doing, it seems difficult.
In listening you have nothing to do. I speak, you listen; you don’t have to do anything. In listening, what do you have to do? You relax. With doing, it begins with you. And the moment it becomes a matter of doing something, the trouble begins.
It may also feel good because the Gita is dear to you, the scripture of your religion; then your ego gets nourishment that “the Gita is right.” Your sectarian conditioning finds support that what we believe is perfectly right—that the Gita is a great scripture.
But if only the speaking feels good, there is no real benefit; there can even be harm. Some people live only in words. They read and listen all their lives and never do anything. Such people will waste life, and at the time of death nothing will remain in their hands except regret. For what I have said about the Gita will not be of use when death comes. What did you do? Listening is not of value. What you did—that is what has value. But when it comes to doing, it seems difficult.
In listening you have nothing to do. I speak, you listen; you don’t have to do anything. In listening, what do you have to do? You relax. With doing, it begins with you. And the moment it becomes a matter of doing something, the trouble begins.
That friend has also asked: sometimes you give a quiet meditation technique; that much is fine.
Because he has not done even that experiment. I also give that; that much is fine. He has not done the silent experiment either; he has only listened to it. The snag comes with kirtan, because here some people are actually doing it.
Now, when some people do it here, there are two ways to avoid it. Either you decide they are mad—then you will have no difficulty. Their minds have gone off, they are hypnotized, or they are acting; putting it on; or perhaps they have taken some money, so they are doing it. Think like this and you will have convenience, consolation. Then there is no need for you to do anything.
Some people avoid doing in this way: they convince their minds that something wrong is happening. Then there is no need to do it themselves.
The trouble is for those who don’t feel it is wrong and still cannot gather the courage to do it. This friend belongs to that category. He feels it is right. But feeling so is not enough. The courage to do is quite another matter. Because the moment you begin to do something, many consequences will come.
First, you will need this courage—the courage to be mad. The ordinary person does not practice religion; he only listens. And whenever someone begins to practice, the rest take him to be mad. People thought Kabir mad. They thought Meera mad. They thought Buddha mad. They thought Christ mad. Only much later do people understand that they were not mad. And even then, they understand it only when things have gone so far that there is no direct relationship left.
You too—when you first step into the life of religion—people around you will start calling you mad. The world has made this arrangement: if someone tries to go out of its net, all sorts of obstacles are to be raised in his way. And this is also understandable, because if it were easy for everyone to move toward religion, then those who are not religious would begin to suffer greatly. To save themselves from their own pain, they declare the religious person mad and remain at ease. They decide his mind is deranged; it becomes easy.
You may piously worship Krishna, but if Krishna actually met you, you would take him to be mad as well. He does not turn up; you go on worshipping a statue. If the real Krishna were to stand there, perhaps you wouldn’t even let him stay in your house. You might not let him spend the night. For who can trust this man! Your wife might fall for him, become his friend, become a gopi. Then you would panic.
A living Krishna will trouble you. Worshipping a dead Krishna is absolutely easy, because a dead Krishna makes no difference to your life.
Even those who believe in Jesus—if Jesus were to meet them, they would crucify him again, because that man would still be just as dangerous.
When much time has passed and only stories remain in our hands—stories pleasant to hear and read—then the difficulty with religion disappears.
So when some people are doing kirtan here, they are courageously becoming mad. If you feel they are doing right, then join in. To join in you will have to drop your fear. “What will people say?”—this is the first fear, and the deepest fear. What will people think?
A woman came to me a few days ago. She told me, “My husband says: definitely listen, but never, ever join the kirtan.” I asked her, “What is your husband’s concern about your joining the kirtan?” She said, “My husband is a doctor, a man of reputation. He said, if you join the kirtan, people will trouble me: What has happened to your wife? So do everything else, but do not join the kirtan.”
From home people are coached: listen, but don’t do anything—because doing is dangerous. Up to listening everything is just fine. Doing seems troublesome, because you are not ready to be mad. And until you are ready to be mad, there is no way to be religious.
So listen and enjoy; and then don’t worry. The day you do it, that day you will have to drop worrying about what others will say.
Others will say many things. They are not speaking against you—they are protecting themselves. For if they accept that you are right, they will appear wrong. So the only device is: you are wrong, so that they can consider themselves right. And certainly, they are in the majority. You will have to be ready to be wrong.
The greatest courage is to rise above the opinion of the crowd. You must drop worrying about what people will say. The very moment you drop this worry, a current of joy will begin to flow within you. This is the very knot at the doorway; this is what holds the door shut. Drop this worry and your feet will begin to tap, your heart will start dancing, and you too will be able to sing.
And if, dropping this worry, even once you can sing and dance, you will say, “Now the world no longer concerns me.” Once you have a taste of another realm, then it is no longer difficult to let go of concern for people.
The difficulty right now is that you have no taste of that which is to be attained. And what you have to drop—the prestige you get from people—that has a taste. That which must be dropped has juice; and that which is to be gained holds no taste yet. So fear arises. Half a loaf in the hand seems more than a full loaf promised in heaven. It is natural; straightforward arithmetic.
But if, in the condition you are in, you feel everything is fine, then I do not tell you to make any change. And if you feel that, in the state you are in, everything is wrong, then take courage and seek a little transformation.
If a silent experiment is to be done, do the silent experiment. If an active experiment is to be done, do the active experiment. But do something.
Most people say that the silent experiment is right, because you can sit alone with eyes closed and no one will know. But often the silent experiment does not succeed, because you are so restless within that when you close your eyes, nothing happens inside except restlessness. There is not even the name of peace. The inner unrest begins to whirl with full force. When you sit quietly, all you see is the inner disturbance.
Therefore it is appropriate that the inner upheaval be allowed to come out as well. Courageously let it flow away too. When it has flowed out, a peace will be felt like the calm after a storm. The storm will gradually dissolve, and the peace will settle.
This experiment of kirtan is catharsis. Those who are dancing and jumping—these are the inner surges rushing out. After these surges have been released, within there is an experience of absolute emptiness. From that very emptiness a doorway opens, and we set out on the journey into the infinite.
But do something. At least do the silent experiment. If you do the silent now, someday you will find the courage to do the active too. But do not rely on listening. If listening brought liberation, everyone would be liberated by now. Everyone has listened enough. Something has to be done. By doing, life will change and there will be revolution.
Even when I speak, the purpose is not speaking. Speaking is only a device so that I can lead you toward doing. And if you feel happy with the speaking and go away, the purpose has been wasted. That was not the goal.
Now, when some people do it here, there are two ways to avoid it. Either you decide they are mad—then you will have no difficulty. Their minds have gone off, they are hypnotized, or they are acting; putting it on; or perhaps they have taken some money, so they are doing it. Think like this and you will have convenience, consolation. Then there is no need for you to do anything.
Some people avoid doing in this way: they convince their minds that something wrong is happening. Then there is no need to do it themselves.
The trouble is for those who don’t feel it is wrong and still cannot gather the courage to do it. This friend belongs to that category. He feels it is right. But feeling so is not enough. The courage to do is quite another matter. Because the moment you begin to do something, many consequences will come.
First, you will need this courage—the courage to be mad. The ordinary person does not practice religion; he only listens. And whenever someone begins to practice, the rest take him to be mad. People thought Kabir mad. They thought Meera mad. They thought Buddha mad. They thought Christ mad. Only much later do people understand that they were not mad. And even then, they understand it only when things have gone so far that there is no direct relationship left.
You too—when you first step into the life of religion—people around you will start calling you mad. The world has made this arrangement: if someone tries to go out of its net, all sorts of obstacles are to be raised in his way. And this is also understandable, because if it were easy for everyone to move toward religion, then those who are not religious would begin to suffer greatly. To save themselves from their own pain, they declare the religious person mad and remain at ease. They decide his mind is deranged; it becomes easy.
You may piously worship Krishna, but if Krishna actually met you, you would take him to be mad as well. He does not turn up; you go on worshipping a statue. If the real Krishna were to stand there, perhaps you wouldn’t even let him stay in your house. You might not let him spend the night. For who can trust this man! Your wife might fall for him, become his friend, become a gopi. Then you would panic.
A living Krishna will trouble you. Worshipping a dead Krishna is absolutely easy, because a dead Krishna makes no difference to your life.
Even those who believe in Jesus—if Jesus were to meet them, they would crucify him again, because that man would still be just as dangerous.
When much time has passed and only stories remain in our hands—stories pleasant to hear and read—then the difficulty with religion disappears.
So when some people are doing kirtan here, they are courageously becoming mad. If you feel they are doing right, then join in. To join in you will have to drop your fear. “What will people say?”—this is the first fear, and the deepest fear. What will people think?
A woman came to me a few days ago. She told me, “My husband says: definitely listen, but never, ever join the kirtan.” I asked her, “What is your husband’s concern about your joining the kirtan?” She said, “My husband is a doctor, a man of reputation. He said, if you join the kirtan, people will trouble me: What has happened to your wife? So do everything else, but do not join the kirtan.”
From home people are coached: listen, but don’t do anything—because doing is dangerous. Up to listening everything is just fine. Doing seems troublesome, because you are not ready to be mad. And until you are ready to be mad, there is no way to be religious.
So listen and enjoy; and then don’t worry. The day you do it, that day you will have to drop worrying about what others will say.
Others will say many things. They are not speaking against you—they are protecting themselves. For if they accept that you are right, they will appear wrong. So the only device is: you are wrong, so that they can consider themselves right. And certainly, they are in the majority. You will have to be ready to be wrong.
The greatest courage is to rise above the opinion of the crowd. You must drop worrying about what people will say. The very moment you drop this worry, a current of joy will begin to flow within you. This is the very knot at the doorway; this is what holds the door shut. Drop this worry and your feet will begin to tap, your heart will start dancing, and you too will be able to sing.
And if, dropping this worry, even once you can sing and dance, you will say, “Now the world no longer concerns me.” Once you have a taste of another realm, then it is no longer difficult to let go of concern for people.
The difficulty right now is that you have no taste of that which is to be attained. And what you have to drop—the prestige you get from people—that has a taste. That which must be dropped has juice; and that which is to be gained holds no taste yet. So fear arises. Half a loaf in the hand seems more than a full loaf promised in heaven. It is natural; straightforward arithmetic.
But if, in the condition you are in, you feel everything is fine, then I do not tell you to make any change. And if you feel that, in the state you are in, everything is wrong, then take courage and seek a little transformation.
If a silent experiment is to be done, do the silent experiment. If an active experiment is to be done, do the active experiment. But do something.
Most people say that the silent experiment is right, because you can sit alone with eyes closed and no one will know. But often the silent experiment does not succeed, because you are so restless within that when you close your eyes, nothing happens inside except restlessness. There is not even the name of peace. The inner unrest begins to whirl with full force. When you sit quietly, all you see is the inner disturbance.
Therefore it is appropriate that the inner upheaval be allowed to come out as well. Courageously let it flow away too. When it has flowed out, a peace will be felt like the calm after a storm. The storm will gradually dissolve, and the peace will settle.
This experiment of kirtan is catharsis. Those who are dancing and jumping—these are the inner surges rushing out. After these surges have been released, within there is an experience of absolute emptiness. From that very emptiness a doorway opens, and we set out on the journey into the infinite.
But do something. At least do the silent experiment. If you do the silent now, someday you will find the courage to do the active too. But do not rely on listening. If listening brought liberation, everyone would be liberated by now. Everyone has listened enough. Something has to be done. By doing, life will change and there will be revolution.
Even when I speak, the purpose is not speaking. Speaking is only a device so that I can lead you toward doing. And if you feel happy with the speaking and go away, the purpose has been wasted. That was not the goal.
Another friend has asked: In the Gita, Krishna repeatedly says, “I alone am the Supreme Brahman. Abandon all else and take refuge in me; I will liberate you.” But people of other faiths do not accept this statement. And you have said that the art of right living is what the Gita is. Even so, people of other faiths are not willing to accept Krishna as God. They say the Gita is merely a religious scripture of the Vaishnava sect.
Why are you worried about people of other faiths? And which of their scriptures are you yourself prepared to accept? Do you read the Quran? Are you prepared to accept that the Quran is the word of God? Do you read the Bible? Are you prepared to accept that Jesus is the son of God? And if you are not prepared to accept these, why bother trying to convince someone else about your Krishna!
And then, what do you want with the other? If Krishna’s words ring true to you, bring them into your life. Transform yourself. Whoever finds Mohammed’s words true should bring Mohammed’s teaching into his life and transform himself. Once both of you have changed, you will be the same—there will not be the slightest difference.
But the man of the Gita worries about somehow persuading the Muslim that the Gita is a great scripture. What solution lies in that? You already believe the Gita is a great scripture and nothing is happening in your life—if a Muslim also agrees that the Gita is great, what difference will it make? Two hundred million Hindus are already agreeing; nothing is changing. You already sit convinced that the Gita is great and Krishna is the Supreme Brahman, and still nothing is happening in your life—so why are you worrying about the other!
It is not the other we are concerned about. In truth we ourselves are afraid and doubtful: Is Krishna God or not? And as long as someone who doubts is around, our own doubt keeps getting wind. Now if a Muslim says, “We do not accept that your Gita has any substance,” fear arises in us—what if he is right? And then we rush to convince him first.
Remember, whenever a person labors hard to persuade others, it means he himself is uncertain. Until he has convinced everyone, his own mind is not convinced. He too is afraid: Is the matter really settled or not? Because so many people doubt.
There are two hundred million Hindus, and perhaps eight hundred million Muslims; what the two hundred million Hindus affirm, eight hundred million Muslims deny. About a billion Christians—they deny. Some eight hundred million Buddhists—they deny. So the whole world denies it, except for the two hundred million Hindus! Then a doubt arises: if the Gita were truly the word of the Supreme, three and a half to four billion people would accept it. If two or four did not, we would think their minds have slipped. Here the situation is reversed: two or four accept; the rest do not. So an inner doubt arises, and out of that doubt such questions come.
It makes no difference who accepts and who does not. If your life changes, the matter is true. Accept Krishna’s word and transform your own life. You alone are enough. Even if no one in the whole world accepts it, if you alone bring gold into your life and the dross is burned away, then Krishna’s word is right. Let the whole world go on denying—it does not matter.
But we ourselves do not want to bring any change; we are all busy converting others. People as strange as us are hard to find. Our condition is like this: as if there were a well of nectar in our own house. We never drink from it; we go on persuading the neighbors, “Come, we have a well of nectar—drink from it.” And how will the neighbor believe it, when we ourselves have not tasted a drop?
If there were a well of nectar in your house, you would drink first, and only then think of others. And the truth is, if you had drunk the nectar and become deathless, if death had vanished from your life, there would be no need to go and explain anything to anyone. The neighbor himself would come asking, “What is the matter? How have you come upon such nectar-bliss? What do you drink? What do you eat? What is your secret?” You would not need to go to the neighbor at all.
You feel the need because you yourself have no trust in your well. You have never tasted its water. You are busy trying to make the neighbor drink first—perhaps you are afraid: who knows whether it is poison or nectar? Let us first see the result on the neighbor, then we will think of ourselves.
What are you worried about? Why this anxiety to impose your scripture on others? Change yourself. Your transformation will be visible to others; if they feel there is some substance in it, they too may take something from your scripture. But whether they take it or not should not be your goal.
Everyone thinks this way. Many people come to me and say, “The Gita is such a great scripture—why doesn’t the Muslim accept it? Why doesn’t the Christian accept it?” They too have great scriptures, not an inch less great than the Gita. But you are not concerned with the greatness of scripture, nor are they.
When you call the Gita great, do not think it is because you know it to be great. You call it great simply because it is yours. And calling it great gives sweetness to your ego. Behind “the Gita is great” is hidden: “I am great, because I am a believer in the Gita.”
If the Quran is great, the Muslim thinks, “I am great.” If the Bible is great, the Christian thinks, “I am great.” If someone says, “The Gita is not great,” you feel hurt—not because you know the Gita, but because your ego is hurt.
Our egos weave vast snares. We say, “India is a great country.” No one has anything to do with India as India, or that “China is a great country.” The meaning is about ourselves. India is a great country because a great person like you was born in India—no other reason. If you had been born in England, England would be great; if in Germany, Germany would be great. Wherever you were born, that country was destined to be great.
Is there a single country on earth that says, “We are not great”? A single people who say, “We are not great”? A single religion that says, “We are not great”? All are proclamations of the ego. Religion has nothing to do with this.
But we cannot make a direct proclamation of ego. If someone stands up and says, “I am great,” we will all object. A direct proclamation is dangerous because it wounds the egos of others. If I say, “I am great,” then what about you? Instantly you become small. So you immediately deny it: “This cannot be accepted; your mind is deranged.”
But if I say, “Hinduism is great,” among Hindus this will be readily accepted, because my ego does not collide with anyone’s ego; on the contrary, the ego of Hindus is confirmed along with mine. Yes, the Muslim will deny it.
But if I say, “India is great,” all who live in India will accept it, because their egos are not hurt. It is the ego of China that will be hurt, the ego of Germany that will be hurt.
If someday we discover humanity on Mars or on some other star, we will be able to proclaim, “The Earth is great.” Then no one on Earth will be hurt—but the man on Mars will be immediately hurt.
All these proclamations are proclamations of hidden ego, indirect proclamations. If your Krishna is the Supreme Brahman, why is Jesus not the Supreme Brahman? He is too. And why only Jesus? The Supreme Brahman is hidden within everyone: in some it has become manifest, in others it remains unmanifest. The truth is that, except for the Supreme Brahman, nothing else is. But there is a great difficulty.
Bertrand Russell has written—Bertrand Russell is among the most thoughtful of thinkers, one who placed complete trust in intellect and reason. He too has written that when he reflects, it seems to him that no person greater than Buddha has walked the earth. When I think impartially, he says, it seems no one greater than Buddha has been on earth. But within me there is a hidden Christian whom I renounced years ago—because Bertrand Russell did renounce Christianity. He wrote a very remarkable book titled “Why I Am Not a Christian.” Yet his childhood was raised in Christianity; his parents gave him that religion, his conditioning was Christian. Later, after reflection, he renounced it.
Even so, Russell says, on the surface, thinking it through, I say that none is greater than Buddha. But inside, in my heart, someone whispers: however great Buddha may be, he cannot be greater than Jesus. Someone hidden in an inner corner says this. At most, I can go so far as to say that Buddha and Jesus are equal—no higher, no lower. But to place Jesus below Buddha becomes difficult.
Not because one is actually lower or higher than the other—such talk is foolish. One who has attained knowing cannot be compared. He is neither below anyone nor above anyone. In truth, upon awakening, a person goes beyond comparison.
Buddha and Krishna and Mahavira and Christ are not higher or lower than anyone. The language of higher and lower is meaningless in that realm. It is our language here. Here we are higher and lower. Once the ego has fallen, who can be higher and who lower? For higher and lower are measures of the ego.
Buddha is egoless, Christ is egoless, Krishna too—then who can be higher or lower? Higher and lower can exist only so long as the sense of ego exists.
So when you ask why people of other religions do not accept that Krishna is Brahman—the reason is that it brings no gratification to their egos; and you accept it because it gratifies yours. Leave aside distant religions: even the Jain, who lives right next door, is not ready to agree with you, though no fundamental difference seems to exist between your religion and his. Leave aside the Jain—even the devotee of Rama, who is a Hindu, is not willing to agree to this.
In truth, we believe only that which makes our ego blossom. What does not inflate our ego, we do not care to believe.
But this is not the concern of a religious person. The religious person is concerned with this: to walk the path that feels right to me, to transform myself, and to come upon a new life. If that path is through Krishna, fine; if through Christ, fine. Only the foolish worry about the roads; concern yourself with the destination!
But there are some people who do not eat the mangoes; they count the pits. Such people belong to that category. They have no time to taste the mango—they go on counting the stones!
And then, what do you want with the other? If Krishna’s words ring true to you, bring them into your life. Transform yourself. Whoever finds Mohammed’s words true should bring Mohammed’s teaching into his life and transform himself. Once both of you have changed, you will be the same—there will not be the slightest difference.
But the man of the Gita worries about somehow persuading the Muslim that the Gita is a great scripture. What solution lies in that? You already believe the Gita is a great scripture and nothing is happening in your life—if a Muslim also agrees that the Gita is great, what difference will it make? Two hundred million Hindus are already agreeing; nothing is changing. You already sit convinced that the Gita is great and Krishna is the Supreme Brahman, and still nothing is happening in your life—so why are you worrying about the other!
It is not the other we are concerned about. In truth we ourselves are afraid and doubtful: Is Krishna God or not? And as long as someone who doubts is around, our own doubt keeps getting wind. Now if a Muslim says, “We do not accept that your Gita has any substance,” fear arises in us—what if he is right? And then we rush to convince him first.
Remember, whenever a person labors hard to persuade others, it means he himself is uncertain. Until he has convinced everyone, his own mind is not convinced. He too is afraid: Is the matter really settled or not? Because so many people doubt.
There are two hundred million Hindus, and perhaps eight hundred million Muslims; what the two hundred million Hindus affirm, eight hundred million Muslims deny. About a billion Christians—they deny. Some eight hundred million Buddhists—they deny. So the whole world denies it, except for the two hundred million Hindus! Then a doubt arises: if the Gita were truly the word of the Supreme, three and a half to four billion people would accept it. If two or four did not, we would think their minds have slipped. Here the situation is reversed: two or four accept; the rest do not. So an inner doubt arises, and out of that doubt such questions come.
It makes no difference who accepts and who does not. If your life changes, the matter is true. Accept Krishna’s word and transform your own life. You alone are enough. Even if no one in the whole world accepts it, if you alone bring gold into your life and the dross is burned away, then Krishna’s word is right. Let the whole world go on denying—it does not matter.
But we ourselves do not want to bring any change; we are all busy converting others. People as strange as us are hard to find. Our condition is like this: as if there were a well of nectar in our own house. We never drink from it; we go on persuading the neighbors, “Come, we have a well of nectar—drink from it.” And how will the neighbor believe it, when we ourselves have not tasted a drop?
If there were a well of nectar in your house, you would drink first, and only then think of others. And the truth is, if you had drunk the nectar and become deathless, if death had vanished from your life, there would be no need to go and explain anything to anyone. The neighbor himself would come asking, “What is the matter? How have you come upon such nectar-bliss? What do you drink? What do you eat? What is your secret?” You would not need to go to the neighbor at all.
You feel the need because you yourself have no trust in your well. You have never tasted its water. You are busy trying to make the neighbor drink first—perhaps you are afraid: who knows whether it is poison or nectar? Let us first see the result on the neighbor, then we will think of ourselves.
What are you worried about? Why this anxiety to impose your scripture on others? Change yourself. Your transformation will be visible to others; if they feel there is some substance in it, they too may take something from your scripture. But whether they take it or not should not be your goal.
Everyone thinks this way. Many people come to me and say, “The Gita is such a great scripture—why doesn’t the Muslim accept it? Why doesn’t the Christian accept it?” They too have great scriptures, not an inch less great than the Gita. But you are not concerned with the greatness of scripture, nor are they.
When you call the Gita great, do not think it is because you know it to be great. You call it great simply because it is yours. And calling it great gives sweetness to your ego. Behind “the Gita is great” is hidden: “I am great, because I am a believer in the Gita.”
If the Quran is great, the Muslim thinks, “I am great.” If the Bible is great, the Christian thinks, “I am great.” If someone says, “The Gita is not great,” you feel hurt—not because you know the Gita, but because your ego is hurt.
Our egos weave vast snares. We say, “India is a great country.” No one has anything to do with India as India, or that “China is a great country.” The meaning is about ourselves. India is a great country because a great person like you was born in India—no other reason. If you had been born in England, England would be great; if in Germany, Germany would be great. Wherever you were born, that country was destined to be great.
Is there a single country on earth that says, “We are not great”? A single people who say, “We are not great”? A single religion that says, “We are not great”? All are proclamations of the ego. Religion has nothing to do with this.
But we cannot make a direct proclamation of ego. If someone stands up and says, “I am great,” we will all object. A direct proclamation is dangerous because it wounds the egos of others. If I say, “I am great,” then what about you? Instantly you become small. So you immediately deny it: “This cannot be accepted; your mind is deranged.”
But if I say, “Hinduism is great,” among Hindus this will be readily accepted, because my ego does not collide with anyone’s ego; on the contrary, the ego of Hindus is confirmed along with mine. Yes, the Muslim will deny it.
But if I say, “India is great,” all who live in India will accept it, because their egos are not hurt. It is the ego of China that will be hurt, the ego of Germany that will be hurt.
If someday we discover humanity on Mars or on some other star, we will be able to proclaim, “The Earth is great.” Then no one on Earth will be hurt—but the man on Mars will be immediately hurt.
All these proclamations are proclamations of hidden ego, indirect proclamations. If your Krishna is the Supreme Brahman, why is Jesus not the Supreme Brahman? He is too. And why only Jesus? The Supreme Brahman is hidden within everyone: in some it has become manifest, in others it remains unmanifest. The truth is that, except for the Supreme Brahman, nothing else is. But there is a great difficulty.
Bertrand Russell has written—Bertrand Russell is among the most thoughtful of thinkers, one who placed complete trust in intellect and reason. He too has written that when he reflects, it seems to him that no person greater than Buddha has walked the earth. When I think impartially, he says, it seems no one greater than Buddha has been on earth. But within me there is a hidden Christian whom I renounced years ago—because Bertrand Russell did renounce Christianity. He wrote a very remarkable book titled “Why I Am Not a Christian.” Yet his childhood was raised in Christianity; his parents gave him that religion, his conditioning was Christian. Later, after reflection, he renounced it.
Even so, Russell says, on the surface, thinking it through, I say that none is greater than Buddha. But inside, in my heart, someone whispers: however great Buddha may be, he cannot be greater than Jesus. Someone hidden in an inner corner says this. At most, I can go so far as to say that Buddha and Jesus are equal—no higher, no lower. But to place Jesus below Buddha becomes difficult.
Not because one is actually lower or higher than the other—such talk is foolish. One who has attained knowing cannot be compared. He is neither below anyone nor above anyone. In truth, upon awakening, a person goes beyond comparison.
Buddha and Krishna and Mahavira and Christ are not higher or lower than anyone. The language of higher and lower is meaningless in that realm. It is our language here. Here we are higher and lower. Once the ego has fallen, who can be higher and who lower? For higher and lower are measures of the ego.
Buddha is egoless, Christ is egoless, Krishna too—then who can be higher or lower? Higher and lower can exist only so long as the sense of ego exists.
So when you ask why people of other religions do not accept that Krishna is Brahman—the reason is that it brings no gratification to their egos; and you accept it because it gratifies yours. Leave aside distant religions: even the Jain, who lives right next door, is not ready to agree with you, though no fundamental difference seems to exist between your religion and his. Leave aside the Jain—even the devotee of Rama, who is a Hindu, is not willing to agree to this.
In truth, we believe only that which makes our ego blossom. What does not inflate our ego, we do not care to believe.
But this is not the concern of a religious person. The religious person is concerned with this: to walk the path that feels right to me, to transform myself, and to come upon a new life. If that path is through Krishna, fine; if through Christ, fine. Only the foolish worry about the roads; concern yourself with the destination!
But there are some people who do not eat the mangoes; they count the pits. Such people belong to that category. They have no time to taste the mango—they go on counting the stones!
This friend has also asked: Is the formless Supreme—God without form—none other than Krishna?
The formless Divine is within everyone; it is within Krishna as well. In Krishna that light is seen fully manifest, because all the veils have fallen. In you there are veils, therefore that light is not visible. There is no difference in the light. One person’s lamp is covered and another’s is uncovered—only that much is the difference. There is no difference in the lamp, no difference in the flame. The difference between Krishna and you is not in the inner light but in the outer coverings.
Osho, even now many devotees and saints have direct visions of Krishna. For twenty-four hours I too see nothing but Krishna. So does the formless God take a form for devotees—is this true?
Whatever you remember with feeling, that becomes formful for you; it takes on form for you. Your feeling is the maker, the creator. Feeling is creative. It is not that some Krishna comes; it is not that some Christ comes. But feeling is creative. When you remember with deep feeling, your very consciousness becomes of the form you have remembered. You become Krishna-like through your own feeling. Someone becomes Christ-like through his own feeling.
You may have heard: there are many Christian ascetics, even today, who develop stigmata—the wounds where nails were driven into Jesus’ hands and feet. Jesus was nailed in hands and feet and hung on the cross. There are such Christian ascetics who become so Christ-suffused that on Friday, the day Jesus was crucified, holes appear in their hands and feet and blood begins to flow.
These things have even been examined scientifically. In an open group, the ascetic sits with eyes closed; at the exact time—doctors have made all the examinations—blood begins to flow from his hands. And exactly twenty-four hours later the stream of blood stops, the wound closes. So one becomes so one with the feeling “I am Jesus” that what happened to Jesus’ body begins to happen to his own body.
Therefore the devotee of Jesus sees Jesus. The devotee of Krishna sees Krishna. The devotee of Rama sees Rama. A devotee of Krishna never sees Christ; a devotee of Christ never sees Krishna. When feeling becomes dense, your consciousness is transformed; it becomes one with that very feeling.
The Krishna you see is your own inner light appearing outside because of your feeling. There is no Krishna standing there.
That is why you cannot show it to someone else—“I am seeing Krishna, let me call the people of ten neighborhoods, come and look, I am seeing him.” Or you bring a photographer and say, “Take a picture; I am seeing Krishna.” No photo will come. And the neighbor, no one will see it. The neighbor will return convinced your mind has gone astray.
It is subjective, inner, spiritual. Your own feeling has become embodied. And this art is utterly wondrous. If feeling begins to embody completely, you will fade as a person and begin to manifest as the Divine. To avail yourself, through feeling, of this capacity to create is to become the creator. This is what it is to be a creator.
But do not take this to mean that because you remember Krishna, the one who remembers Christ is making a mistake. Do not think that because you have visions of Krishna, everyone must attain God through visions of Krishna alone. Do not fall into this error. Each one’s feeling, each one’s path, each one’s realization.
And do not, even by mistake, touch another’s realization or call it wrong. You can state your own: “This happens to me, and I am finding bliss in it.” But do not try to call another’s realization false; that is unauthorized, it is a trespass. To damage another’s feeling is irreligious.
Even if you feel that something wrong is happening to another, do not be in a hurry, because you know nothing about the other. Have a little patience. And if you must say something about the other, first do for yourself the very experiment the other is doing—only then speak.
This is what happened with Ramakrishna. People came and asked: What about Islam? What about Christianity? What about the paths of Tantra? Ramakrishna said, “Until I have done those experiments, I cannot say anything.” So when people asked, he said, “I will do all the experiments.”
Ramakrishna lived like a Muslim for six months. This was a first-of-its-kind experiment on earth. For six months Ramakrishna did not go to the temple; he went only to the mosque. For six months he offered namaz, he did not do Hindu prayers. For six months he stopped wearing Hindu dress and wore Muslim dress. For six months he immersed himself completely in Islam.
And when, through Islam, he came to the very experience he had attained through prayer and worship of Kali, he said, “Alright, this path too arrives at the same.” This path too takes one there. Those who walk on this path will reach the same place as those who walk by other paths.
Then Ramakrishna conducted experiments in about six religions. And when through all of them he reached the same samadhi, he declared: The paths are different, but the mountain peak is one. From different paths—even paths that sometimes go in opposite directions—one arrives at that one peak.
So do not be hasty. Be compassionate toward the other. Do not try to hurt the other. Keep only this one attention: that your whole energy is engaged in your own experiment. And slowly, slowly, your consciousness becomes one with your own feeling.
There is only one art for bringing God near: immerse your feeling wholly in Him.
There are two ways. If your mind inclines toward the saguna (with attributes), choose any symbol—Krishna, Christ, Buddha, Mahavira—any image, any form; and begin to dissolve yourself into that form.
But if form does not interest you, there is no need for any form. Then enter directly into formless meditation. Contemplate the infinite and beginningless, the eternal and timeless, the formless sky—no idol, no image, no symbol.
You must also discover what is suitable for you. Understand clearly your inner leaning and passion, your inner structure. Because not everything will suit everyone; not all paths will suit all people.
One who cannot comprehend the nirguna (formless) and pursues it will suffer and will never attain.
Understand it this way. Children enroll in school. Not all children take to mathematics, because mathematics is utterly formless, abstract. Not all children take to mathematics. Those to whom mathematics does not click, who find no taste in it, who make no progress in it, should never dabble in the talk of formless and nirguna. I am only giving an example. Those who cannot get a grip on mathematics should not even speak of the formless and nirguna. For mathematics is the most gross journey into the formless; meditation is the ultimate journey.
A person like Einstein can enter the formless easily, because his entire play is of formless mathematics.
Mathematics exists nowhere outside; it exists only in the formless realm of intelligence. If humanity were to die, mathematics would be erased entirely. For numbers—one, two, three, four—are nowhere “out there.” They are mere notions, an abstract feeling.
If a person’s connection with the abstract does not hold at all, he should undertake the journey of form. Like Meera. For Meera there is no taste, no connection, in the formless. The more vividly she can see Krishna—dancing, playing the flute—the more she is absorbed.
Women often cannot go toward the formless, because the feminine mind loves figure and form. Men often can go toward the formless, because the masculine mind seeks the abstract, the nirguna.
But not all men are men, and not all women are women. Many women have a masculine structure; many men have a feminine structure. This structure is not only of the body; it is of the mind as well.
So you must find out exactly what your inner structure is. Hence the great usefulness of a guru. Because you may not even understand what your structure is, and you may keep experimenting on a wrong structure and become distressed. Many people are distressed and think their lack of attainment is due to the fruits of their past actions. Often it has nothing to do with karma. Failure to attain often occurs because there is no attunement between you and the method you are practicing.
What you are practicing and what you are—there is no harmony between the two; there is conflict. Then you may keep trying for lifetimes; it is like trying to extract oil from sand. It will never succeed. And you may go on thinking the obstruction is due to karma. Karma does create obstacles, but not as much as when a person chooses a path contrary to his structure.
Therefore the guru is useful—he can inquire into your structure.
In the West psychologists accept that you know less about your own mind than a psychologist does. By analyzing you, the psychologist learns things about you that you yourself did not know.
So do not think that because you are you, you know everything about yourself. You do not know even one percent about yourself; ninety-nine percent you do not know. For that, someone is needed who can stand at a distance, look impartially, and recognize exactly what lies hidden within you. If he recognizes your within rightly and grasps it, choosing the path becomes easy.
There are infinite paths and infinite kinds of people. And when the right path meets the right person, sometimes liberation fructifies in a single moment—but only when the match between the exact path and the exact person happens.
It is almost like tuning a radio. If your dial is loose, it catches two or four stations at once; nothing makes sense. Then slowly you tune. And when the needle stops at the exact point, on the right station, everything becomes clear.
Until there is exact tuning between you and the method, there is no glimpse of truth. Until then you may have to change many paths, many methods.
But if one is alert, one can find the path even without a guru; it will just take a little longer. If one is surrendered, then with the support of a guru the happening can occur very quickly.
Last question.
A friend asks: I have heard that whenever Ramakrishna Paramhansa spoke about esoteric knowledge, he would stop in between and say, “Mother doesn’t allow me to speak the truth.” What does this mean?
Truth cannot be spoken; one can only try to speak it. Those who have no acquaintance with truth never have this experience that truth cannot be spoken. Those who have no inkling of truth can talk at ease; it will never occur to them that to put truth into words is extremely difficult, almost impossible.
Those who know truth meet this inner obstacle again and again. They know what truth is, but no word matches it. If they choose any word, they find that a mistake will be made; what they want to say will not be said. And many times it seems that what they do not want to say will also be suggested by that word. Often it happens that a word can be used, but the listener will misunderstand. So a blockage occurs.
That is what Ramakrishna means. It is his poetic language when he says, “Mother stops me from telling the truth.” It is his poetic language. But the real reason—no one stops you; truth itself stops you, because truth does not sit well with words.
And Ramakrishna had another difficulty: he was not very skilled with words. He was uneducated—barely schooled to the second grade. Buddha would not pause in this way. Ramakrishna had not read and written; words were not his great companions. And yet the experience that happened to him is what happened to Buddha.
But Buddha was well-educated, from a royal family; whatever finest culture there could be, he had received. He knew the aristocratic language, the language of poetry and art, the best that literature could offer. So Buddha does not pause. But that does not mean Buddha can state what truth is. No.
Buddha is more skillful. He does not stop in the middle; he announces beforehand. Wherever he went, he had it proclaimed that eleven questions should not be asked of him. In those eleven all matters related to esoteric truth are included. He would say: Leave these aside; ask me anything else. Concerning these, nothing can be said; they are inexpressible.
Ramakrishna was rustic—his language was that of the village. His symbols were rustic; his stories were rustic. He did not announce beforehand; but when he spoke, obstacles would arise in between. He wished to say something and it would not manifest; no word would be found.
But such a thing happens only when you truly have something significant to say. If your language is only that of buying and selling in the marketplace, this obstacle never arises. But the moment you soar higher and enter a world outside the language of society and the market, difficulties begin.
Rabindranath wrote six thousand songs. Perhaps no poet in the world has written so many. In the West they call Shelley a great poet, but even he has only about two thousand songs. Rabindranath has six thousand songs that can be set to music.
Three or four days before dying, a friend came and said to Rabindranath, “You should be happy that among the great poets who have appeared on earth, your contribution is the greatest—six thousand songs that can be set to music! And each song is unique. You should have no fear of death and take no sorrow, because you have completed your work; you are fulfilled. A man dies unhappy whose work remains incomplete. Your work has been completed more than enough.”
Rabindranath said, “Wait, do not go on. My condition is quite different. I have been praying to God: just now I had managed to tune my instrument; I have not yet sung the song! Only now, by much knocking and hammering, had I tuned my instrument. And just as the time to sing was drawing near, the time to depart has arrived! These six thousand songs are only my attempts to sing the song I want to sing. I have not yet been able to sing it. And now the time to go has come! That song has remained unsung, though it has been boiling within me. To sing just that song I made these six thousand attempts. They have all failed. I have not succeeded. What I want to say remains unsaid, pressed in my heart.”
In truth, the higher the perception and experience, the lower words fall. It is as if someone has flown far into the sky and the language of the market remains far below; now no connection remains.
And the sky has no language—at least not yet. Poets make great efforts; sometimes someone brings back a glimpse. Saints have tried greatly; and sometimes some glimpse has been poured into words. But all glimpses are incomplete, because all words are human and the experience is divine. Man is very small and the experience very great. The experience becomes so vast that speech no longer suffices.
That is why Ramakrishna would pause in between. But he was a devotee; his language is that of devotion. He would not answer as I have. He would say, “Mother stopped me; Mother does not let me speak the truth.” That is the point.
Why would Mother stop one from speaking the truth? But for Ramakrishna, Truth and Mother are one. For him Mother is Truth; Truth is Mother. Mother is for him the embodied form of Truth. So he says, “Mother stops me.” Sometimes he would pause midway, remain silent for a long time, and then begin again—from somewhere else. Where he had begun and where it had broken, an interval would appear. There is another reason for these intervals:
Many times Ramakrishna would slip into samadhi in between. Whenever any remembrance of God arose, samadhi would come. Sometimes it would happen that he was walking along the road, and someone greeted another with “Jai Ramji,” and he would stop; his eyes would close. Just on hearing the Name of Ram he would enter samadhi. One had to be careful even while taking him along the road: if a temple bell was ringing and incense was burning, if the fragrance reached him and he heard the bell, he would go into samadhi.
So sometimes, while speaking, as soon as he came close to expressing truth, at the very remembrance of it he would become absorbed; thus an interval would occur.
You may have heard: there are many Christian ascetics, even today, who develop stigmata—the wounds where nails were driven into Jesus’ hands and feet. Jesus was nailed in hands and feet and hung on the cross. There are such Christian ascetics who become so Christ-suffused that on Friday, the day Jesus was crucified, holes appear in their hands and feet and blood begins to flow.
These things have even been examined scientifically. In an open group, the ascetic sits with eyes closed; at the exact time—doctors have made all the examinations—blood begins to flow from his hands. And exactly twenty-four hours later the stream of blood stops, the wound closes. So one becomes so one with the feeling “I am Jesus” that what happened to Jesus’ body begins to happen to his own body.
Therefore the devotee of Jesus sees Jesus. The devotee of Krishna sees Krishna. The devotee of Rama sees Rama. A devotee of Krishna never sees Christ; a devotee of Christ never sees Krishna. When feeling becomes dense, your consciousness is transformed; it becomes one with that very feeling.
The Krishna you see is your own inner light appearing outside because of your feeling. There is no Krishna standing there.
That is why you cannot show it to someone else—“I am seeing Krishna, let me call the people of ten neighborhoods, come and look, I am seeing him.” Or you bring a photographer and say, “Take a picture; I am seeing Krishna.” No photo will come. And the neighbor, no one will see it. The neighbor will return convinced your mind has gone astray.
It is subjective, inner, spiritual. Your own feeling has become embodied. And this art is utterly wondrous. If feeling begins to embody completely, you will fade as a person and begin to manifest as the Divine. To avail yourself, through feeling, of this capacity to create is to become the creator. This is what it is to be a creator.
But do not take this to mean that because you remember Krishna, the one who remembers Christ is making a mistake. Do not think that because you have visions of Krishna, everyone must attain God through visions of Krishna alone. Do not fall into this error. Each one’s feeling, each one’s path, each one’s realization.
And do not, even by mistake, touch another’s realization or call it wrong. You can state your own: “This happens to me, and I am finding bliss in it.” But do not try to call another’s realization false; that is unauthorized, it is a trespass. To damage another’s feeling is irreligious.
Even if you feel that something wrong is happening to another, do not be in a hurry, because you know nothing about the other. Have a little patience. And if you must say something about the other, first do for yourself the very experiment the other is doing—only then speak.
This is what happened with Ramakrishna. People came and asked: What about Islam? What about Christianity? What about the paths of Tantra? Ramakrishna said, “Until I have done those experiments, I cannot say anything.” So when people asked, he said, “I will do all the experiments.”
Ramakrishna lived like a Muslim for six months. This was a first-of-its-kind experiment on earth. For six months Ramakrishna did not go to the temple; he went only to the mosque. For six months he offered namaz, he did not do Hindu prayers. For six months he stopped wearing Hindu dress and wore Muslim dress. For six months he immersed himself completely in Islam.
And when, through Islam, he came to the very experience he had attained through prayer and worship of Kali, he said, “Alright, this path too arrives at the same.” This path too takes one there. Those who walk on this path will reach the same place as those who walk by other paths.
Then Ramakrishna conducted experiments in about six religions. And when through all of them he reached the same samadhi, he declared: The paths are different, but the mountain peak is one. From different paths—even paths that sometimes go in opposite directions—one arrives at that one peak.
So do not be hasty. Be compassionate toward the other. Do not try to hurt the other. Keep only this one attention: that your whole energy is engaged in your own experiment. And slowly, slowly, your consciousness becomes one with your own feeling.
There is only one art for bringing God near: immerse your feeling wholly in Him.
There are two ways. If your mind inclines toward the saguna (with attributes), choose any symbol—Krishna, Christ, Buddha, Mahavira—any image, any form; and begin to dissolve yourself into that form.
But if form does not interest you, there is no need for any form. Then enter directly into formless meditation. Contemplate the infinite and beginningless, the eternal and timeless, the formless sky—no idol, no image, no symbol.
You must also discover what is suitable for you. Understand clearly your inner leaning and passion, your inner structure. Because not everything will suit everyone; not all paths will suit all people.
One who cannot comprehend the nirguna (formless) and pursues it will suffer and will never attain.
Understand it this way. Children enroll in school. Not all children take to mathematics, because mathematics is utterly formless, abstract. Not all children take to mathematics. Those to whom mathematics does not click, who find no taste in it, who make no progress in it, should never dabble in the talk of formless and nirguna. I am only giving an example. Those who cannot get a grip on mathematics should not even speak of the formless and nirguna. For mathematics is the most gross journey into the formless; meditation is the ultimate journey.
A person like Einstein can enter the formless easily, because his entire play is of formless mathematics.
Mathematics exists nowhere outside; it exists only in the formless realm of intelligence. If humanity were to die, mathematics would be erased entirely. For numbers—one, two, three, four—are nowhere “out there.” They are mere notions, an abstract feeling.
If a person’s connection with the abstract does not hold at all, he should undertake the journey of form. Like Meera. For Meera there is no taste, no connection, in the formless. The more vividly she can see Krishna—dancing, playing the flute—the more she is absorbed.
Women often cannot go toward the formless, because the feminine mind loves figure and form. Men often can go toward the formless, because the masculine mind seeks the abstract, the nirguna.
But not all men are men, and not all women are women. Many women have a masculine structure; many men have a feminine structure. This structure is not only of the body; it is of the mind as well.
So you must find out exactly what your inner structure is. Hence the great usefulness of a guru. Because you may not even understand what your structure is, and you may keep experimenting on a wrong structure and become distressed. Many people are distressed and think their lack of attainment is due to the fruits of their past actions. Often it has nothing to do with karma. Failure to attain often occurs because there is no attunement between you and the method you are practicing.
What you are practicing and what you are—there is no harmony between the two; there is conflict. Then you may keep trying for lifetimes; it is like trying to extract oil from sand. It will never succeed. And you may go on thinking the obstruction is due to karma. Karma does create obstacles, but not as much as when a person chooses a path contrary to his structure.
Therefore the guru is useful—he can inquire into your structure.
In the West psychologists accept that you know less about your own mind than a psychologist does. By analyzing you, the psychologist learns things about you that you yourself did not know.
So do not think that because you are you, you know everything about yourself. You do not know even one percent about yourself; ninety-nine percent you do not know. For that, someone is needed who can stand at a distance, look impartially, and recognize exactly what lies hidden within you. If he recognizes your within rightly and grasps it, choosing the path becomes easy.
There are infinite paths and infinite kinds of people. And when the right path meets the right person, sometimes liberation fructifies in a single moment—but only when the match between the exact path and the exact person happens.
It is almost like tuning a radio. If your dial is loose, it catches two or four stations at once; nothing makes sense. Then slowly you tune. And when the needle stops at the exact point, on the right station, everything becomes clear.
Until there is exact tuning between you and the method, there is no glimpse of truth. Until then you may have to change many paths, many methods.
But if one is alert, one can find the path even without a guru; it will just take a little longer. If one is surrendered, then with the support of a guru the happening can occur very quickly.
Last question.
A friend asks: I have heard that whenever Ramakrishna Paramhansa spoke about esoteric knowledge, he would stop in between and say, “Mother doesn’t allow me to speak the truth.” What does this mean?
Truth cannot be spoken; one can only try to speak it. Those who have no acquaintance with truth never have this experience that truth cannot be spoken. Those who have no inkling of truth can talk at ease; it will never occur to them that to put truth into words is extremely difficult, almost impossible.
Those who know truth meet this inner obstacle again and again. They know what truth is, but no word matches it. If they choose any word, they find that a mistake will be made; what they want to say will not be said. And many times it seems that what they do not want to say will also be suggested by that word. Often it happens that a word can be used, but the listener will misunderstand. So a blockage occurs.
That is what Ramakrishna means. It is his poetic language when he says, “Mother stops me from telling the truth.” It is his poetic language. But the real reason—no one stops you; truth itself stops you, because truth does not sit well with words.
And Ramakrishna had another difficulty: he was not very skilled with words. He was uneducated—barely schooled to the second grade. Buddha would not pause in this way. Ramakrishna had not read and written; words were not his great companions. And yet the experience that happened to him is what happened to Buddha.
But Buddha was well-educated, from a royal family; whatever finest culture there could be, he had received. He knew the aristocratic language, the language of poetry and art, the best that literature could offer. So Buddha does not pause. But that does not mean Buddha can state what truth is. No.
Buddha is more skillful. He does not stop in the middle; he announces beforehand. Wherever he went, he had it proclaimed that eleven questions should not be asked of him. In those eleven all matters related to esoteric truth are included. He would say: Leave these aside; ask me anything else. Concerning these, nothing can be said; they are inexpressible.
Ramakrishna was rustic—his language was that of the village. His symbols were rustic; his stories were rustic. He did not announce beforehand; but when he spoke, obstacles would arise in between. He wished to say something and it would not manifest; no word would be found.
But such a thing happens only when you truly have something significant to say. If your language is only that of buying and selling in the marketplace, this obstacle never arises. But the moment you soar higher and enter a world outside the language of society and the market, difficulties begin.
Rabindranath wrote six thousand songs. Perhaps no poet in the world has written so many. In the West they call Shelley a great poet, but even he has only about two thousand songs. Rabindranath has six thousand songs that can be set to music.
Three or four days before dying, a friend came and said to Rabindranath, “You should be happy that among the great poets who have appeared on earth, your contribution is the greatest—six thousand songs that can be set to music! And each song is unique. You should have no fear of death and take no sorrow, because you have completed your work; you are fulfilled. A man dies unhappy whose work remains incomplete. Your work has been completed more than enough.”
Rabindranath said, “Wait, do not go on. My condition is quite different. I have been praying to God: just now I had managed to tune my instrument; I have not yet sung the song! Only now, by much knocking and hammering, had I tuned my instrument. And just as the time to sing was drawing near, the time to depart has arrived! These six thousand songs are only my attempts to sing the song I want to sing. I have not yet been able to sing it. And now the time to go has come! That song has remained unsung, though it has been boiling within me. To sing just that song I made these six thousand attempts. They have all failed. I have not succeeded. What I want to say remains unsaid, pressed in my heart.”
In truth, the higher the perception and experience, the lower words fall. It is as if someone has flown far into the sky and the language of the market remains far below; now no connection remains.
And the sky has no language—at least not yet. Poets make great efforts; sometimes someone brings back a glimpse. Saints have tried greatly; and sometimes some glimpse has been poured into words. But all glimpses are incomplete, because all words are human and the experience is divine. Man is very small and the experience very great. The experience becomes so vast that speech no longer suffices.
That is why Ramakrishna would pause in between. But he was a devotee; his language is that of devotion. He would not answer as I have. He would say, “Mother stopped me; Mother does not let me speak the truth.” That is the point.
Why would Mother stop one from speaking the truth? But for Ramakrishna, Truth and Mother are one. For him Mother is Truth; Truth is Mother. Mother is for him the embodied form of Truth. So he says, “Mother stops me.” Sometimes he would pause midway, remain silent for a long time, and then begin again—from somewhere else. Where he had begun and where it had broken, an interval would appear. There is another reason for these intervals:
Many times Ramakrishna would slip into samadhi in between. Whenever any remembrance of God arose, samadhi would come. Sometimes it would happen that he was walking along the road, and someone greeted another with “Jai Ramji,” and he would stop; his eyes would close. Just on hearing the Name of Ram he would enter samadhi. One had to be careful even while taking him along the road: if a temple bell was ringing and incense was burning, if the fragrance reached him and he heard the bell, he would go into samadhi.
So sometimes, while speaking, as soon as he came close to expressing truth, at the very remembrance of it he would become absorbed; thus an interval would occur.
Osho's Commentary
And that Paramatma is perfect, pervading within and without all beings, moving and unmoving; and He Himself is the form of the changing and the unchanging. Being subtle, He is unknowable — not to be grasped by knowing. And He alone dwells utterly near and utterly far. And, indivisible and of one form like the sky, though all‑pervading, He appears as if separately situated within all moving and unmoving beings. And that knowable Paramatma is the sustainer and nourisher of beings, the destroyer of beings, and the source from whom all arise. He is the light of lights, said to be beyond Maya. He is of the nature of bodha — awareness — the one worth knowing, attainable through true insight, and dwelling in the heart of all.
Three essential points. First: whenever anything is to be said about Paramatma, the two opposite poles that language raises — the extreme polarities — must be held together at once. For both extremes are contained in Paramatma. And whenever we identify the Divine with only one extreme, we go astray — the Divine becomes partial, and our statement about Him becomes untrue, incomplete.
But the human mind wants to choose one extreme. We want to say: God is the creator. The religions of the world — except the Hindus — say God is the Creator. Only the Hindus upon the earth say: the Divine is both — creator and destroyer; creator and destroyer together.
This is greatly to be pondered; it is of immense value. That God is creator is easy enough to understand. But that He is the destroyer as well, the demolisher — this does not fit our understanding.
Your son is born, and you thank God that He gave you a son. But if your son dies, you do not have the courage to say: God killed my son. For the very thought that God killed your son feels outrageous — what kind of God is this who kills!
Remember, however: the One who gives birth must also be the principle that kills — whether we like it or not. Our like or dislike is not the question. The One who makes is the One who unmakes. Otherwise who will unmake?
And if the act of dissolution did not exist, the act of becoming would stop. If death were to stop in the world, birth would stop. Do not imagine that birth could continue and death come to an end. Where death is stopped, there birth will halt. And the ratio will always remain the same. If you stop death there, you must stop birth here.
Now, medicine has pushed death a little farther away, reduced some disease; so governments everywhere are busy with birth‑control. They must be — there is no other way. And if governments do not practice birth‑control, then famine will, starvation will, disease will. But between birth and death there is a proportion. If you block death, you will have to block birth.
In India many sadhus and sannyasins say birth‑control should not be. Then they must also say there should be no hospitals. If there are no hospitals, there will be no need for birth‑control. On this side everyone agrees that death should be delayed; saints exhort people to open hospitals, to stop death, to reduce disease — and the same saints teach people: do not do birth‑control. This is dangerous. This is against God.
If birth‑control is against God, then medicine is also against God — for God is giving disease and you are treating it! God brings death and you are getting cured! Then all medicine is a rebellion against God. Stop medicine; then there will be no need of birth‑control. People will balance themselves on their own. Stop death here, and birth will stop there.
Just think: if someday science discovers a method by which man need not die, we will have to render everyone sterile — for there will be no need to be born.
Birth and death are the two ends of the same thread. There is a balance within them.
This sutra first says: Paramatma is the union of both extremes. He is perfect within and without all beings.
Many believe God is outside. The common notion is that God is seated somewhere in the heavens — an old man with a long beard, enthroned and managing the whole world! This sometimes becomes dangerous too.
Carl Gustav Jung, the great thinker of the West, writes in his memoirs: when as a child I was told that God is seated in the sky upon His throne and is running the world, I could not say it to my father, but one thought kept coming to me again and again — if He urinates or defecates, it must all fall upon us! How long can He sit upon a throne like men do? He must, at some time, perform these functions!
He writes that this whirled about in his mind badly. He was only a small child. He could not say it to anyone — if he did, he would be beaten: how can you speak of God and feces! But when God is imagined as men are — sitting on chairs, with beard and moustache — then there must also be excretion. Unable to tell anyone, Jung says, the thought began to come in dreams — God is seated suspended in the air, and excrement is falling!
The common man’s notion is exactly this — God sits somewhere above in the sky — outside. Therefore you go to the temple, because God is outside. This is one extreme.
There is another extreme that holds: God is within; the outer is irrelevant. Hence no temple, no pilgrimage — no going anywhere outside. God is within.
This sutra says both statements are partial. Those who say God is within speak only half; those who say He is outside also speak only half. And both are wrong, for a half‑truth is worse than falsehood; it appears like truth and is not truth. God is both within and without.
That Paramatma is perfect within and without all beings, moving and unmoving.
Because the within and the without are two segments of Him alone. What is outside for us and what is inside for us — for Him there is neither outside nor inside. In both, He alone is.
Understand it thus: there is sky within your room, and there is sky outside your room. Is the sky outside or inside? Your house itself is built within the sky; so the sky is within your house and outside as well. The distinction of within and without arises because of the walls. Likewise, this body‑wall creates the gap of within and without. As such, He is neither this nor that — or He is both.
The sutra says: God is both within and without. He is the changing and the unchanging.
He is the changing and the unchanging. What changes is He; what does not change is He. Here too we create a dualism — that God never changes and the world is ever‑changing. But He is in the flux and He is in the non‑flux — He embraces both opposites.
Being subtle He is unknowable — not an object of knowing.
Very subtle. Subtlety has two forms: something may be too subtle to grasp, or too vast to grasp. Neither the infinite expanse is comprehended, nor the infinitesimal. Two ends escape us.
Two poles: the vast and the subtle. The subtle as in zero — subtler than the one, below the one where there is the zero. There are two kinds of zero: one below the one; and one that belongs to the infinite. Both are beyond comprehension. God is subtle in both senses — as the vast and as the void. Therefore He is unknowable — not the sort that can be understood.
But then it becomes difficult — if the Divine cannot be understood, why so much effort to explain? All scriptures, all rishis have been engaged in one endeavor — to explain the Divine; and He is not to be understood! Then what is the point?
Unknowable does not mean unexperienceable. He will not be grasped by understanding, but He can be tasted in experience.
If I try to explain to you the taste of salt — I cannot. God is far off; even the taste of salt cannot be conveyed. If you have never tasted salt, even if I pound my head and pile up all scriptures and discourse on all the sciences, in the end you will still ask: I have understood your words, but what is salty?
There is only one way — place a grain of salt on your tongue. No scripture is needed. That which cannot be understood can still be experienced — and you will say: now I know — the taste.
The taste of the Divine can descend. For this reason, to explain Him as a concept, as a notion, is futile. That is why we cannot open a school for God — and where we do, nothing comes of it.
Teach religion as much as you like; religion does not happen. After learning and training, man returns as empty as he went — sometimes even more cunning than before. He begins to make fine speeches, to talk religion — but the taste is not in him.
Krishna says: Being subtle, He is unknowable — not to be understood. He is utterly near, and utterly far.
He is very close — closer than you are to yourself. In truth, to say “close” is not right — you are He. And far beyond all distance — as far as you can conceive; if the universe had a boundary, then beyond that boundary too. Since there is no boundary, He is the farthest and the nearest. These are the two extremes Krishna is trying to join.
Indivisible — no division can be made in Him. And yet He is present in all divisions. And that knowable Paramatma is the one who sustains and nourishes beings, who destroys and who brings forth — all He alone is.
He creates, He preserves, He destroys. This vision is astonishing — and once it sinks in, that He makes, He sustains, He unmakes — all your anxiety ends.
This single sutra is enough to make you carefree. This single sutra is enough to free you from all anguish. For then nothing remains in your hands; there is no cause left to be troubled, no need to complain, no question to ask — why is it thus? Why disease? Why old age? Why death? There is nothing to ask. You know — from one side He creates, from the other He dissolves, and in the middle He sustains.
Therefore we have fashioned the symbol of the Trimurti — the three‑formed Divine. Three images, three faces of the Divine — Brahma the creator, Vishnu the sustainer, Shiva the destroyer. But Trimurti does not mean three Gods. They are only three faces; the statue is one, the Existence is one — with these three modes.
And He is the light of lights, beyond Maya. And that Paramatma is of the nature of awareness, the one to be known, attainable through tattva‑jnana — true knowing — and dwelling in the hearts of all.
Unknowable — not to be understood — and yet He alone is to be known. These statements seem contradictory; they create confusion. There is no contradiction. He will not be understood — if you insist on cleverness. If you try to know Him by intellect, by logic, by mathematics, by argument and proof — He will not be understood. All proofs are yours — they cannot be bigger than you. All arguments are yours — they cannot lead beyond your experience. And all arguments are barren — they yield no experience.
Yet He is to be known. Which means: another alchemy, another process is needed. The buddhi, the intellect, will not help. Is there any way of knowing without the intellect? Have you ever known anything without the intellect?
If you have known love, perhaps a hint will arise. In the experience of love you do not know by intellect — there is another way of knowing, a way of the heart.
A mother does not know her child by intellect. She does not think about him; she knows. Joined to the heartbeat, she recognizes. That recognition comes by another pathway — not straight through the skull; perhaps through the pulse of the heart, through feeling, through sensitivity.
For knowing God, intellect is not the instrument. Putting the intellect aside is the path. Hence all sadhanas are arts of setting the intellect aside. If in prayer and meditation one simply lays the intellect down — as one lays clothes aside before bathing — becomes utterly non‑intellectual, as a child, child‑minded, with nothing left of calculation — then the connection happens instantaneously.
Why should it be so? Because intellect is very narrow. The intellect is useful in the world — where we deal with the small, the minute. But as we turn toward the vast, the intellect becomes a very narrow doorway; you cannot enter by it. Lay it aside.
The saints have taught, by innumerable devices, one thing — how to be free of the intellect. Hence it also feels dangerous — for we believe we must preserve the intellect, keep it with us, hold on to thinking, so that no one deceives us, so that if we lay it aside nothing goes wrong and we are not able to do anything.
So we keep clutching the intellect, for with it we feel we are in control. When intellect recedes, control is lost — and we become parts of spontaneous nature. Therefore there is danger, and fear. There is some reason in this fear — it must be understood.
When anger seizes you, intellect steps aside. When anger has passed, intellect returns — and then you repent. When lust takes hold, intellect moves aside; when the act is over, you become sad and anxious: again the same mistake; how many times vowed, yet repeated. Then intellect returns.
Understand this: nature too functions only when the intellect is not in between. The lower in you also functions when intellect is not present. If you keep intellect alert, you cannot be angry; you cannot sink into lust.
If the whole world became utterly intelligent, procreation would cease; the world would end at once. For the activity of lower nature is possible only when you drop the control of the intellect. Nature can work within you only when your intellect does not obstruct.
That higher nature — which we call Paramatma — also functions only when your intellect is not. But here there is a danger to be seen: because we are afraid of the lower nature, we maintain the control of intellect. We fear that if we let go, anger or violence may happen; if we drop the intellect, our passions may run riot — we might do who knows what like a madman.
How many times the thought of killing has crossed the mind! But intellect says: what are you doing? It is sin; for births upon births you will wander; you will go to hell. And even if not to hell — there is the court, the police. And beyond all that, conscience will gnaw you — you murdered; how will you show your face? So intellect restrains.
If today someone says: drop the control of intellect, the first thought will be: if I drop it, I will pick up a sword and kill someone — for that impulse is ready within.
Out of fear of the lower nature we do not drop intellect — and we have no taste of the higher nature, for that too functions only when the intellect is put aside.
Understand it like this: when someone is ill, the physician’s first concern is to bring sleep — because while the patient remains awake he does not allow the body’s nature to work; he interferes. If sleep comes, nature completes her work; she heals the body, closes the wounds, removes the illness.
Hence the physician’s first worry is that the patient should sleep. Everything else — medicines — is secondary. Why such concern? Because the patient’s intellect is creating trouble. Let him sleep — and nature will work.
You too become healthy when you sleep; in the day you make yourself unhealthy.
You know, when the child is born he sleeps twenty‑two hours, twenty hours. In the mother’s womb for nine months he sleeps twenty‑four hours. As age grows, sleep decreases; the old sleep less; sometimes only two or three hours.
The old are very troubled; seventy‑year‑olds come to me asking for the way to get sleep.
You do not need sleep any more. As the body approaches death, nature reduces her work in it — no need. The work of building is closing down.
The child sleeps twenty‑four hours because nature has to build — if the child remains awake, he will interfere; his intellect will come in: the leg should be a bit longer; the nose such and such; the eyes bigger — he will start meddling. For nine months nature does not grant consciousness even once — unconscious, nature does her work. Once the child is complete, he comes out — but still he sleeps twenty‑two hours. Much remains to be done — preparation for the whole life.
As soon as the work on the body is complete, sleep settles at six, seven, eight hours. Nature’s construction is done; these eight hours are for daily repair. However you break the body by day, nature will put it right by night; in the morning you rise fresh to work again.
The old man near death needs even three hours more than enough — nature is no longer building, only dismantling. Therefore sleep keeps reducing.
Nature too works when you do not obstruct with intellect. I offer this example so that what is true of lower nature is understood to be true of higher nature as well. When you do not obstruct God and lay aside the intellect, then He too works. But because of fear of the lower, we fear the higher as well; out of fear below, we do not open above.
Therefore I say: see nature also as the outer form of God. Do not fear it. Enter it; do not run away. Allow it to happen; do not obstruct, do not control. Maintain awareness — that is a different matter; that is not intellect.
Intellect means: to interfere, to control — let this happen, let that not happen — to devise means. Awareness means: to witness. We will not interfere. If anger arises, we will witness anger; if lust arises, we will witness lust. We will watch; we will not judge from in between — whether good or bad, whether it should be or not, whether I should stop or allow; we will take no decision. We will simply watch quietly — as one standing by the roadside watches the traffic, as birds fly across the sky and you watch.
Learn to behold even the lower nature — then intellect recedes and the witness awakens. And when the fear below is gone, you can lay the intellect aside for the above as well — for you will have gained trust that there is no need to lug the intellect. And the very moment intellect recedes, the knowing of God begins.
He is unknowable to intellect; but when intellect is set aside, through prajna — through the witness — He is knowable, He is the one to be known, He is the one to be experienced.
Let us take one last point — for the key of the witness is priceless. If you understand it rightly, no secret of the Divine will remain unknown to you. To understand the witness, make small experiments. In any small act, do not be the doer — be the witness, so that a taste of the watcher begins to grow.
You are eating — become a witness. Suddenly remember — take a deep breath — and begin to see that you are seeing your body eating. At first there will be some awkwardness, something strange — for in place of two there are now three: earlier there was the food and the eater; hunger and the eater; now this third has arrived — the seer.
Because of the seer there will be a little difficulty. Eating will slow down; you will chew more, lift your hand more gently — for the presence of the seer reduces the restlessness of actions. Perhaps that is why we do not bring the seer in — we want to throw food in quickly and run. Somehow to push it in and rush out.
If you walk with awareness, you will find your pace slows.
Buddha walks — his pace is so serene, as if a film on the screen were being run in very slow motion — very gentle.
Someone asked Buddha: why do you walk so slowly? Buddha said: the question is upside down — you ask why I walk so slow; I ask you, why do you walk like madmen? Why such fever, such haste in walking? I walk with awareness — then everything slows.
Remember: the more awareness, the slower the act. And the more the doer is absent, the more the fever and frenzy drain from actions — they become quiet.
And remember: from quiet actions sin cannot be done. If you are going to murder someone and you are going very slowly, be sure — the murder will not happen. If you stand to strike someone’s head and you raise the sword very gently, before the sword reaches his head it will return to the sheath.
So slow — sin cannot happen. Sin needs fever, haste, speed. And one who lives in speed — whether he sins or not — much sin happens through him unknowingly. It happens by his very speed, by his fever. Fever is sin.
Buddha says: as you do with awareness, everything slows.
Walking on the road, suddenly remember; take a deep breath so remembrance becomes clear — and gently see that you are walking.
Sitting idle, close the eyes and see that you are sitting. With eyes closed you can clearly see the posture of your own form seated. Begin from one foot — what is its condition? Is it pressed, in discomfort, is an ant biting? Move upward; see the whole body — that you are seeing. Merely by seeing, you will sink into deep peace — for in seeing, man becomes the witness.
At night you lie in bed; before sleep, close the eyes for five minutes and see the whole body from within.
Perhaps you know, perhaps not — the West has only now explored anatomy, what lies within the human body — because they began surgery, cutting the body. For scarcely three hundred years has it been possible to cut the human body, since no religion allowed the dissection of corpses. The early surgeons were thieves — stealing corpses from morgues to cut and see within. But yoga has known much about the inner of man for thousands of years.
Now Western surgeons ask: how did the East, how did yoga know the inner of man? Not by cutting — but by the yogi’s witnessing.
If you enter within in the witness and begin to roam, in a few days you will be able to see your body from inside. You will begin to see bone, flesh, marrow, the network of nerves — from within. And once the body is seen from within, you cannot believe “I am the body.” The one who has seen the body has become separate from it — he has become the seer, the drashta.
Whenever you get a chance in the twenty‑four hours, in any action, hold onto witnessing. Two results will follow: action will become slow; the doer will thin out; thoughts and intellect will begin to recede, thinking will quieten, the see‑saw of the intellect will stop.
A small experiment: if you are doing nothing, just watch the breath. The breath goes in, the breath goes out; in — out — just watch it.
People ask me for a mantra. I say: do not take any mantra. One mantra has been given by the Divine — breath. Watch it. Breath is the first mantra. The very first act of the newborn is to take a breath; and when man dies, the last act is to let the breath go. Life is encircled by breath.
After birth, the first act is breath — the first doing. By taking breath you become the doer. Therefore if you can watch the breath, you will reach before the first doing. You will come upon that life which was even before breath, before birth.
If you become capable of watching the breath, you will know — death will be of the body, of the breath, not of you. You are separate from the breath.
Buddha placed great emphasis on Anapanasati — the yoga of watching the incoming and outgoing breath. He told his bhikkhus: do nothing else — there is only one mantra — watch the breath going in, watch the breath going out. Do not breathe forcibly, do not do anything to the breath — only watch; do nothing.
Close the eyes. Breath touches the nostrils and goes in; within it touches down to the belly; the belly rises. Then breath returns; the belly falls; the breath comes out; and a new breath begins. It is a circle — keep watching it.
If each day for fifteen or twenty minutes you only watch the breath, you will be astonished — intellect begins to recede; the witness begins to awaken; an inner eye begins to open; the doors of the heart, closed for lifetimes, begin to shift and slide. In that sliding doorway comes the first glimpse of the Divine.
Witnessing is the door; intellect is the barrier.
We will pause for five minutes. Then sit and join the kirtan; and if you cannot join, at least watch in the witness.