Geeta Darshan #15

Sutra (Original)

यदा ते मोहकलिलं बुद्धिर्व्यतितरिष्यति।
तदा गन्तासि निर्वेदं श्रोतव्यस्य श्रुतस्य च।। 52।।
Transliteration:
yadā te mohakalilaṃ buddhirvyatitariṣyati|
tadā gantāsi nirvedaṃ śrotavyasya śrutasya ca|| 52||

Translation (Meaning)

When your understanding has crossed beyond the mire of delusion,
then you will grow indifferent to what is to be heard and what has been heard. || 52 ||

Osho's Commentary

When intelligence awakens from the sooty blackness of delusion, then dispassion bears fruit. From the sooty blackness of delusion! What is the darkness that surrounds a human being?

One kind of darkness disappears when lamps are lit. Religion has nothing to do with that darkness. Whether it is there or not, it makes no difference. Then what darkness is religion striving to dispel?

There is another darkness that does not surround the body but engulfs consciousness. There is another darkness that gathers around the soul. That is what Krishna calls the blackness of delusion. So it is useful to understand these two words—darkness and delusion—a little more deeply.

What is the mark of darkness? First, where nothing can be seen, where seeing is lost, where seeing is not possible, where a veil falls over the eyes. Second, because nothing can be seen, no path is known—where should one go, what to do? Third, because nothing can be seen, at every step there is the possibility of colliding with anything. Darkness is the loss of vision.

The same happens in delusion. That is why it is meaningful to call delusion darkness. In delusion, whatever we do, whatever we become, however we move—in delusion whatever comes out of us—is exactly like groping in the dark. We have no idea what we are doing, no idea what is happening, no idea which is the way, which is the path. There are no eyes. Delusion is blind. And the blindness of delusion is spiritual blindness.

I have heard: a man’s house caught fire. A crowd gathered. The man was beating his chest, crying, shouting—as is natural. The wealth of a lifetime was being destroyed. What he had taken to be life itself was going up in flames. The ground he stood upon was collapsing. The very basis of his “I,” from which his power and pride came, from which he was something, a “somebody”—all that was scattering.

Jan Soliz wrote a book, Arestros. There are a few precious sayings in it. One is: “Nobody wants to be nobody. Nobody wants to be nobody.” A precise translation is difficult. No one wants to be a nonentity. Everyone wants to be somebody, to be something.

That man’s somebody-ness was unraveling. He had been something because that house existed. And anyone whose being somebody depends on something else’s being—one day such grief and pain will seize them too. For everything that rests on outer wealth falls apart one day, because nothing outside is lasting. It is not only that his house caught fire—everyone’s outer houses catch fire. In truth, whatever is outside is already on the pyre.

So he beats his chest and weeps. Natural. Then a neighbor comes running and says, “You are weeping needlessly. Your son sold the house yesterday. He even took the deposit. Didn’t you know?” At once, the tears vanish. The man stops beating his chest. Where he had been crying, he begins to smile, even laugh. Everything changes in an instant.

The fire still blazes; the house burns just as it did a moment before. Where has the difference occurred? The house is no longer mine. The bond of delusion that tied me to the house has snapped. The house is on fire, but there are no tears in the eye. Were those tears because the house burned? The house is still burning. Those tears were because “my” was burning. Now the “my” is not burning; the eyes have cleared. The film of tears has lifted. Now he can see clearly. A moment ago he could see nothing.

Flames raged there; here, the eyes were filled with tears—everything was blurred, everything dark. Till now his hands and feet were trembling; now the trembling is gone. Now he is just like everyone else. “Alright,” he says, “what has happened is alright.”

Just then his son comes running. He says, “Talks did happen, but no deposit was made. We tried to sell, but it didn’t happen. And now who will buy this burned house!”

The tears return; he starts beating his chest again. The house is burning exactly as before! The house knows nothing of all this change in between. Everything changes again. Delusion returns. The eyes are blind again. Again the “my” begins to burn.

In this life it is delusion that burns, delusion that worries, delusion that fills with tension, delusion that meets with anguish, delusion that leads astray, delusion that makes one fall. Delusion is the misery of life.

Krishna calls it moha. Buddha called it thirst, tanha. Call it by any other name—it makes no difference. Its inner secret has one quality: that which is not mine begins to appear as mine; and that which is mine remains unknown. This is the hypnosis of delusion, the spell of moha—what is not mine appears to be mine; and what truly is mine is not known at all.

The law of delusion’s darkness is this: what is not mine appears as mine, and what is mine does not appear to be mine. A reversal takes place; everything turns upside down.

How can the house be mine? It was there when I was not; it will be there when I am no more. How can the land be mine? It existed before me; it will exist after me. And the land has no idea that it is “mine.” But my delusion spreads a hypnotic net—my son, my wife, my father, my religion, my scripture, my temple, my mosque. Around the I, a vast web is raised. This expansion of the I is the darkness of delusion.

In truth, understand the I as a lamp of darkness. As light falls from a lamp, so darkness falls from the I. When the lamp burns there is light; when the I burns there is darkness. The denser the I, the deeper the darkness that spreads all around. The person who lives in the I lives in darkness—in the night of delusion.

So Krishna says: the one who is free of this blackness of moha attains dispassion. But what Krishna calls dispassion is not what we commonly call dispassion. This must be understood well.

What we call dispassion is merely the opposite of passion. We call the opposite of attachment “dispassion.” In our understanding, to know “the house is mine” is attachment; to know “the house is not mine” is dispassion. But “mine” and “not mine” are two ends of the same thing. Krishna does not call this dispassion. This is reverse attachment. It is not freedom from attachment. “Not mine,” too, is still attachment.

Ramtirtha returned from America and was a guest in Tehri Garhwal. His wife came to meet him. Seeing her approach through the window, he shut the window and bolted the door. A friend staying with him, Sardar Puran Singh, asked, “Why are you closing the door? I’ve never seen you close the door to any woman!” Puran Singh knew the woman was—or had been—his wife. Ramtirtha said, “She is no one of mine.” Puran Singh replied, “All the other women who come are no one of yours either. Yet you never close the door to them! This woman must surely be someone special to you—you make a special arrangement: you close the door!” Ramtirtha said, “She was my wife; but I have no wife.” Puran Singh said, “If she is not a wife, then treat her as you would any woman. Open the door!”

This behavior is special; it is the behavior of reverse attachment. There was once the illusion that “she is my wife”; now there is the illusion “she is not my wife.” But if the first illusion was false, how can the second be true? It stands upon the first; it is only its extension.

The first illusion we can understand. The second is the illusion of the “renunciate”—the sannyasin, the renouncer—and that we grasp less easily. But it is clear: this woman is special—she is not ordinary in his eyes. Ramtirtha has a particular view of this woman. Once he would have risen to open the door for her—“my wife”; now he rises to shut the door—“not my wife.” But rise for the door he must; this is not dispassion.

Puran Singh said, “If you do not open the door, I bow and take my leave. For me, all your knowledge of Brahman is worthless. I am going. What kind of Brahma-knowledge is this? You have never said to any other woman, ‘Stop!’ In all women you have seen Brahman. Today what fault has happened in this woman that Brahman is not there?”

The words pierced Ramtirtha; they pricked his awareness. He opened the door. He was a thoughtful man. He saw it clearly: dispassion has not ripened. For dispassion means that neither attachment nor aversion remain. Where even dispassion does not remain—there is dispassion. The night of delusion has wholly vanished. “Mine” is gone; even “not mine” is gone. Where there is not even dispassion, there is dispassion.

Ramtirtha saw it and understood. That very day he gave up the saffron robes. You may be surprised to hear that on the day he took water-samadhi, he was not wearing ochre; he wore ordinary clothes. For it was clear to him: that was not dispassion.

Dispassion means: where neither attachment nor aversion remain. Where there is neither attraction nor repulsion; neither pull nor push; no call and no opposition. Where a person is steady, equal; where pro and con are the same—there dispassion flowers.

But why then call it “dispassion”? Why use the word at all when even dispassion is not there? There is no choice—this is the helplessness of language. All our words are dialectical. Human language has no truly non-dual, non-dialectical word. Language is made by the mind; the mind is dualistic. So whatever language the human mind creates is built from opposing terms.

It’s a strange fact: our language cannot be built without opposites, because we cannot define without them. If someone asks, “What is darkness?” you say, “That which is not light.” A very circular definition. If asked, “What is light?” you say, “That which is not darkness.” You know neither what darkness is nor what light is. Asked about darkness, you say, “Not light.” Asked about light, you say, “Not darkness.” Is that a definition? A definition would require knowing at least one of the two.

I have heard: a man went to a strange village. He asked, “Where does Mr. A live?” They said, “Next door to Mr. B.” He said, “But I don’t know where B lives either.” They said, “Next to A.” He said, “That doesn’t help; I know neither A nor B. Tell me exactly where A lives.” They said, “Next to B.” “And B?” “Next to A.”

Ask a man, “What is consciousness?” He says, “Not matter.” Ask, “What is matter?” He says, “Not consciousness.” What is mind? Not matter. What is matter? Not mind. Even the greatest philosopher calls this a definition. But it’s deception, not definition. For not even one of the two is known.

Yet even without knowing, life must be managed. So we make do with dishonest words. Our words are deceptive; none carries its own meaning. The words by which we explain meaning have no meaning either. All our definitions are circular. “What is left?” “That which is not right.” “And right?” “That which is not left.” But do we know either?

Human language is dialectical. Ask, “What is A?” it talks of B. Ask, “What is B?” it talks of A. This creates the illusion that everything is known. Nothing is known—only words are known. But we cannot function without words. If there is attachment, there is dispassion. But where to find a third word? And truth is the third. Where to find it?

Mahavira says vitaraga—one beyond attachment. But it makes no difference. Vitaraga means beyond attachment; viraga means outside attachment. Whichever word we coin, it will be the opposite of another word; it will not be the third, it will always be the second. And truth is the third. So the second word is used provisionally. Krishna is also using it provisionally.

Therefore do not take dispassion to mean the opposite of attachment. Dispassion means to go beyond the duality, beyond attachment and aversion. For repulsion is only attraction standing on its head. Repulsion is attraction inverted. And all this happens only when the blind night of delusion breaks, when its blackness scatters. The condition is clear: who attains dispassion? The one for whom the night of delusion breaks, whose blackness dissolves.

But what do we do? We do not break the blackness of delusion; we begin cultivating non-delusion in opposition to delusion. We do not shatter moha; we practice anti-moha against moha. We say, there is attachment in the house, so leave the house, go to the forest. But in whom was the attachment—in the man, or in the house?

If attachment was in the house, then leaving the house would put you beyond attachment—if the house itself were attachment. But the house has no attachment to you; you have attachment to the house. And you are running away while the house remains where it is. Wherever you go, attachment will arrive. It travels with you; it is your shadow. Then you will be attached to the ashram—my ashram. What’s the difference? My house, my ashram—what’s the difference? My son, my disciple—what’s the difference? Delusion will find new arrangements, set up a new household.

It is very interesting that griha (household) does not really mean a building. It means the attachment that builds the home—the force which builds the home. It is not about the home itself; it is about that which makes it. That will make a home anywhere. Sit under a tree—it will become “mine.” A palace—it will be “mine.” A loincloth—it too will become “mine.” And the “mine” has no trouble with size—big house or small—no difference. The volume of “mine” does not affect its being “mine.”

Understand it this way: if one man steals two hundred thousand rupees and another steals two coins, do you think two coins is a small theft and two hundred thousand a big theft? The amount is bigger, the theft is the same. The same event happens with two coins as with two hundred thousand. In either case, the man becomes a thief. Yes, the court may call the two-coin thief a small thief and the other a big thief and give more or less punishment. That’s different. The court is concerned with the amount, not the theft. The court lives in quantity.

Religion has nothing to do with quantity. Religion is about quality. Religion will say: two coins or two hundred thousand—it’s theft, equally. In mathematics there is a difference; in religion there is none. For religion, theft has happened. The man is a thief.

In truth, go deeper still: if there is no difference between stealing two hundred thousand and two coins, is there any difference between stealing two hundred thousand and merely thinking of stealing? For religion, there is none. Whether you stole or only thought to steal—no difference. The event has happened. What we do becomes part of our life; what we think of doing also becomes part of our life.

In that same book Arestros by Jan Soliz, there is another line: “A man is bound not only by what he does, but also by what he wanted to do and did not do.”

We are bound not only by theft committed, but equally by uncommitted theft—by the thought of theft. Committed theft becomes known to others; uncommitted theft is not known to the world, but to the divine it is perfectly known. Because our relationship with the divine is of feeling, not action. Our relationship with the world and society is of doing; with the divine it is of being.

And what difference is there in being? Whether I imagined stealing or I stole—it makes no difference in being. I became a thief. The news reaches the divine: this man is a thief. Yes, the world has not yet heard. For news to reach the world, mere thought isn’t enough; the hands must also act. For the world to know, it requires not only feeling but a material act. That does not increase the theft; it only makes it manifest. The unmanifest becomes manifest. No other difference. But as far as religion is concerned, the unmanifest theft is as much theft as the manifest.

So the question is not whether you have a big house or a hut. Not whether you have millions or pennies. The question is whether you have the feeling of “mine.”

That feeling of “mine” is the night of delusion, the darkness of moha. As long as you can say “mine,” no matter to what it is attached—“my religion”—it makes no difference, the night of delusion continues. You can say: my Hindu, my Muslim; my Quran, my Bible, my Gita; my temple, my mosque.

We are strange people. All the religions of the world shout that to attain the divine, the “mine” must be dropped. And we are so clever that we even make God “mine.” “That God is yours; this God is mine.”

I have heard a very amusing incident from a village. It was the festival of Ganesh and processions of Ganesh idols were moving. But in that village, each neighborhood had its own Ganesh—Brahmins’ Ganesh, sweepers’ Ganesh, cobblers’ Ganesh, blacksmiths’, oil-pressers’. Even the idols had a discipline: the Brahmins’ Ganesh would lead, then others in order.

One year the Brahmins’ Ganesh arrived a little late—of course a Brahmins’ Ganesh must show up a little late! The greatness of a person is known by arriving late. The bigger the leader, the later he arrives. So the Brahmins’ Ganesh came late, and the oil-pressers’ Ganesh—poor Ganesh—arrived early, on time, lest the procession depart without him. No one would stop a procession for the oil-pressers’ Ganesh; they must arrive on time, and they did.

Time was passing; night was approaching; the procession had to start—so the oil-pressers’ Ganesh went ahead. The Brahmins’ Ganesh came from behind! The Brahmins said, “Move the oil-pressers’ Ganesh back! The oil-pressers’ Ganesh in front? Never!” The poor oil-pressers’ Ganesh had to move back.

The Hindu has his gods; the Muslim too. Among Hindus themselves, there are a thousand different gods. A single deity becomes separate as Brahmins’ Ganesh and oil-pressers’ Ganesh. God is attained by dropping “mine,” and we are so skillful that we bind even God within the confines of “mine.” If a temple burns, no Muslim feels pain—he feels joy. If a mosque burns, no Hindu feels pain—he feels joy. And in every case, it is God that burns. But because of “mine,” we cannot see. The “mine” blinds. It is a darkness.

Any kind of “mine-ness” is the night of delusion. One must awaken to it, not run from it. If you run, the opposite of “I” begins; it will reconstruct itself elsewhere. It will build again.

The “I” is a highly creative force—a creator of dreams. Not of reality, but of dreams; yet it does create. It is deeply hypnotic. Wherever it stands, a whole world appears around it.

In fact, the world exists because of “mine.” The day “mine” is not, the world is nowhere. Household exists because of “mine.” The day “mine” is not, there is no home and no household anywhere. A sannyasin is not one who has run away from home; a sannyasin is one in whom the home-builder has fallen apart. In whom that trance of delusion that constructs has dissolved.

This is what Krishna is saying: the one who leaves the night of delusion and whose intelligence attains dispassion—then in his life fruition happens. Call it liberation, call it knowing, call it bliss, call it God, call it Brahman—it makes no difference. They are only differences of name.

When your mind, confused and shaken by what you’ve heard, becomes unwavering and steady in the supreme, then your intelligence will be firmly established in samadhi—you will attain yoga. (2.53)

As the intellect now is, it is not steady. As it is, it is not firm. As it is, it is wavering, trembling, fluttering—like a lamp’s flame in a storm. Not still for a single moment; in a moment, in many places—at the start of the moment somewhere, at the end of the moment somewhere else. Not assured of even a single moment’s survival—flickering on the edge of every gust: now gone, now gone.

Kierkegaard called man “a trembling.” All the time—from birth to death—a tremor. Everything is shaking, all is an earthquake. Within, nothing is steady, nothing firm. The faces we wear outside are false. Our outer faces look steady, unmoved; the truth is otherwise—inside everything quakes. The bravest of men tremble with fear within. The bravest tremble with fear within.

There was Stalin. He was named Stalin—“man of steel.” It was not his birth name, but given—the iron man. Khrushchev, in his memoirs, writes that he was so fearful there is no measure for it. One day he even told Khrushchev, “Till now I was afraid of others; now I have begun to fear myself.” The fear was immense.

Stalin would never eat without first having two or four others eat the food. He did not trust even his daughter—perhaps the food is poisoned! Khrushchev writes: we all had to taste his food first. We tasted trembling, because what made the iron man so anxious was being tested on us! But it was necessary. Once he saw four men still alive, he would eat. Even eating became anxious.

He would not go out. It is said he kept a double—another man with his face—to attend public rallies. Hitler also kept a double. Who knows when a bullet will fly! For all the arrangements, there is still fear. Their precautions were unmatched; no one on earth ever had such protection. Every person was searched. They sat among thousands of soldiers. Every kind of arrangement. Yet the final arrangement was: the man receiving the salute was not the real Stalin. He was a fake actor playing Stalin. Stalin sat at home, listening to reports.

What irony! Men like Stalin and Hitler worked so hard to gain this very fame—and then an actor goes to take the salute. They could not even let their wives sleep in the same room—who knows when a neck will be squeezed in the night.

Such men of steel! Then what is a man of straw? If Stalin is so stuffed with chaff, what must be our condition? We are not Stalins; we are not men of steel. If this is the state of a steel man, what of us?

No—the outer mask is steady; the true inner face trembles all the time. Inside there is only trembling. The bravest is fearful within. The so-called wisest, deep down, trembles with ignorance. Outwardly he says, “I know—Brahman is”; inwardly he knows, “I know nothing.” Not even sure that “I am.” Outside he shows authority: “I know.” Inside he knows nothing. Ignorance eats him within. Outside he says, “The soul is immortal.” Inside, death gapes.

Such is our intellect: not firm. But what does firm mean? Again the difficulty of words. What does firmness mean? The people we call firm—do they not tremble within? In fact, the more firmness a person displays outwardly, the more he trembles within. Outward firmness is a safety measure, an arrangement to deny the inner trembling.

Adler worked hard on this. Perhaps in human history his insights in this direction are most precious. Adler says something strange happens: a person organizes the exact opposite outside of what he is inside. The more he suffers from inferiority within, the more he organizes superiority outside.

All politicians suffer from inferiority complexes. They must; otherwise being a politician is difficult. To be a politician requires an inner feeling of being nothing. Only then does one rush to prove: look, I am something. He proves it less to you than to himself—to deny that inner whisper, “I am nothing.” “See, I am something.”

Adler says: the greatest musicians have often had weak ears in childhood. The man of weak hearing becomes a musician. The man of weak eyes becomes a painter.

When Lenin sat on a chair, his feet did not touch the ground. His legs were very short; his upper body large. Yet he sat in the biggest chair. He proved: if your feet reach the ground, no matter; we will make the chair touch the sky. Adler would say: behind Lenin’s ambition was the smallness of his legs—an inferiority that pained him. His legs were so short that even on an ordinary chair they dangled.

Bernard Shaw joked: what difference do short legs make! Whether short or long, when a man stands on the ground, everyone’s feet touch the ground. What difference do leg-lengths make? Stand—everyone’s feet reach the ground.

True enough. But short legs do make a difference: the man reaches for the chair. Until he reaches the chair, his life is tormented—“short legs, short legs.” That very torment takes him on the opposite journey.

Ask Adler what firmness means. His meaning and Krishna’s differ—that I want to clarify. Adler will say: firmness means the man is a weakling within. He is weak inside; therefore he imposes firmness outside. He is filled with straw inside; therefore outside he is Stalin. He is nothing within; therefore outside he tries to become everything. Is Krishna talking about this kind of firmness? If so, it is not worth a penny.

No, he is not. There is another firmness that does not arise from suppressing inner weakness, not by arranging the opposite of the inner state, but by the very dissolution of the trembling inner mind.

There are two kinds of firmness. In one, weakness remains within, and you climb onto its chest to appear firm. In the other, weakness has dispersed, dissolved; and in its absence, what remains within—that is firmness. What shall we call it? Calling it firmness is not right, because the word already names the first kind. Adler is correct there. What can we call that which remains after the disappearance of weakness?

There is one kind of health that appears by suppressing disease. And another kind of health that appears in the absence of disease. But what shall we call the health that appears in the absence of disease? We are familiar only with health gained by suppressing disease. We even call the process “medicine”—that which suppresses. We keep pressing the disease down and call that cure.

But there is another health, which is simply the absence of disease—not suppression, but absence. If you ask medical science, it will say: we do not know any such health that is the absence of disease. We know only health achieved by fighting disease.

So if you go to a physician and say, “I want to be healthy,” he will say: we cannot tell you how. Ask us which disease you have—what to separate, what to remove—and we can help.

To this day, no medical science—Ayurveda, Allopathy, Homeopathy, Unani, any “pathy”—has been able to define health, only disease. Ask: what is health? “We do not know.” Ask: what are diseases? They can answer—TB means this, cancer means that, flu means this. But what is the meaning of health? “We have no idea.”

Superiority built by suppressing inferiority forever trembles upon what lies beneath. Always fearful, always eager to prove itself, always busy justifying itself, always suspicious, always inwardly afraid.

And there is another superiority—without doubt, not eager to prove itself, not striving to certify itself, one that is not even aware of its own being.

Note this well: the firmness you know will be Adler’s firmness. The firmness you do not know will be Krishna’s. How would you know it? Knowing always works by contrast. At school the teacher writes with white chalk on a blackboard. He could write on a white wall, but you would not see it. On black it shows. The blacker the board, the clearer the letters.

The more inferior a man, the more his superiority shows. The greater the man, the more his greatness dissolves like white letters on a white wall—imperceptible. We perceive in contrast, in opposition.

If you sense, “I am healthy,” know some disease is suppressed. If you sense, “I am wise,” know ignorance is suppressed. If you sense, “I am firm-minded,” know there is straw stuffed inside. If there is no sense at all...

Therefore the Upanishads say: he who says, “I know,” know that he does not know. They make an astonishing statement—perhaps the boldest ever on earth: the ignorant wander in darkness; the learned wander in a greater darkness. The ignorant wander in darkness; the learned, in a greater darkness. Which “learned” do they mean? Those who know they have knowledge.

Those who know they are firm—are not firm. The firmness Krishna speaks of is wholly different from Adler’s. Krishna’s psychology is of another order. It does not stand upon the opposite. A house built upon its opposite will one day collapse; it has no reliability. If something is built upon its own enemy, how long can it stand? Leaning on its opposing shoulder, how long can it remain strong? When the foundation stone is its adversary, how long can its spires stand bright under the sun?

Not long. And as long as the spires appear to rise, down in the foundation a perpetual struggle rages—duality, trembling. The stream trembles. This is a house built on sand—no, not even sand, on water. Now it falls, now it falls—you know it inside. Now it falls—you fear it inside. The more fear within, the more firmness displayed outside—to deceive yourself, to deceive others.

But the firmness Krishna speaks of is not deception; it is transformation. When does it flower? Only when the heart goes beyond attachment and aversion; when the intellect drops choosing; when the mind stops trembling among objects; when it leaves the wavering among desires and arrives at desirelessness. Desirelessness does not mean a reverse desire; it means the absence of desire. Then, Arjuna, in such a state of unshaken mind, the treasure of life is attained. Then the mind is firm. Then it stands not on water, but on rock. Then the peak can rise into the sky. Then the flag of life, of existence, can wave on the heights.

Arjuna said:
O Keshava, what is the mark of the one established in wisdom and absorbed in samadhi? How does the man of steady intellect speak, how does he sit, how does he walk? (2.54)

For the first time Arjuna asks from beyond his usual circular personality. For the first time. Until now whatever he asked came from the old Arjuna. For the first time his question tries to touch Krishna. For the first time this sentence brings him near to Krishna. For the first time Arjuna does not ask as Arjuna; he asks from near Krishna. For the first time Krishna seems to have entered Arjuna’s being.

This question is deep. He asks: who is called sthitaprajna—whose wisdom has become steady? Who is he whose lamp of knowing is unwavering? Who is called absorbed in samadhi? What is his language? How does he rise? How does he walk? How does he speak? What is his being? What is his conduct? How shall we recognize him?

He asks two things. First: what is this inner event—wisdom becoming steady, established, still? But that event is very interior. Perhaps only when it happens within oneself can it be known. Perhaps even Krishna cannot describe it. So Arjuna immediately—and here he shows great intelligence, great discrimination—adds a second part to the question. He senses that the first may be “too much,” that perhaps it cannot be answered, the event being too inward to be described from outside.

So in the second part he asks: tell me also—how does one speak whose wisdom is steady? The one who is established in samadhi—how does he speak, how does he move, how does he walk, how does he rise? What is his behavior? In this second part he asks: if we want to know from the outside, what is he like? From within, what is the event? What is that happening called “absorbed in samadhi”? But even if that cannot be said, when such an event happens in someone, what are its outward fruits? What are the effects around it?

This is the first question that must have delighted Krishna. The first to make his heart thrill. All earlier questions rose from a very sick mind. They were for Arjuna’s self-justification—asking for support for what he already wanted. He wanted Krishna to become a consolation for him as he was.

Now this is the first question in which Arjuna leaves the insistence that “I am as I am—console me.” He asks instead: let me know the one you point to, the man you envision. The kind of person toward whom your gestures point—I am eager to know him. Let go of what I have been clutching.

With this question Arjuna’s true inquiry begins. Till now he was not inquiring. He did not place Krishna where from he wished to learn or know. He was using Krishna to justify himself—to rationalize his own ideas.

Understand this well, and later things will be clearer.

Often when we ask questions, they do not arise from inquiry. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, questions are not from inquiry. They are asked just to get confirmation, to attach someone else’s stamp to our own belief.

Buddha once entered a village. A man asked, “Is there a God?” Buddha said, “No. Nowhere. Never was, never will be.” Naturally, the man trembled. “What are you saying? No God?” “Absolutely not,” Buddha said. “I have searched everywhere. I say, there is none.”

At noon another man came and asked, “As far as I think, there is no God. What do you think?” Buddha said, “No God? God alone is. Nothing but God.” The man said, “What are you saying! I came thinking Buddha is an atheist.”

In the evening a third man came and said, “I do not know whether God is or is not. What do you say?” Buddha said, “I will also say nothing.” “No, no—please say something!” “I will say nothing.”

Leave these three aside; Buddha’s disciple Ananda fell into difficulty. He had been present all three times—morning, noon, evening. We can understand his distress. He had never imagined Buddha could be so inconsistent—morning one thing, noon another, evening a third. But only fools can be consistent. Only the witless can be uniform. The wise will be inconsistent, because each answer is given to someone in particular; there is no answer for everyone.

Ananda said, “You have put me in trouble. I will not sleep before you answer me. Which is right of the three? Or is there a fourth which is right?”

Buddha said, “What is it to you? The ones I spoke to have been served. Your question was not asked; there is no answer for you. You did not ask—why did you listen?” Ananda said, “Now you are making fun! I have ears; I am not deaf. I was present; I heard. Tell me: which is it? You gave three answers in one day! What do you intend?”

Buddha said, “I did not give three answers. I gave one answer: I will not confirm you. I will not add my ‘yes’ to yours. That was the single answer all day. In the morning the man wanted me to say ‘yes, God is,’ so that the God he believes in would be supported by me, so that he could be assured—‘Buddha also says this.’ He wanted to use me. He did not come to learn or to know. He already knew—he was schooled. He just wanted my company, one more certificate: ‘What I say, Buddha says too! I am right, because Buddha says the same.’ He was looking for one more device for his ego. He was exploiting even Buddha for his ego.

“The man at noon was an atheist. He too was sure he knew. No inquiry. Those who are sure have no inquiry. And the irony is: those who are sure also inquire—because their certainty stands on very shaky ground. The shaky ground below keeps jostling it: make it firmer, make it firmer.”

Arjuna has been speaking like that—until this question—as if he knows what is right and wrong, what is welfare and ill-being, what will benefit the world, what will not; who will die, who will not. He “knows” everything. He knows nothing; but the ego says, “I know.” In that ego he wanted to secure Krishna’s support, so that tomorrow he could say to the world, “I didn’t flee alone—Krishna said so too. I didn’t abandon the war—ask Krishna!” He wanted to share responsibility.

Remember: the one who wants to share responsibility trembles within. He too is not sure; that is why he seeks support. But he doesn’t want to admit he does not know. He won’t drop the ego that says, “I know.”

All this time Arjuna has spoken as if he knows well—what is dharma, what is adharma; what is good, what is not; what will benefit the world, what will not. He knows everything. He knows nothing; but the ego says, “I know.” And in that ego he wanted to make Krishna a crutch. “You too become the cane of a lame man”—that’s what he wanted.

People like Krishna never become anyone’s crutch. To be a lame man’s crutch is to arrange that he remain lame. People like Krishna take away all crutches. They want to give legs, not canes. So Krishna has taken away even the crutches Arjuna had.

Now, for the first time, Arjuna truly inquires—without asking for support. Now he asks them alone: “Who is established in samadhi, Krishna? Whose wisdom is steady? And when someone’s inner light becomes steady, what is his conduct? When the lamp stands still within, what happens on the outside? Tell me about that.” For the first time, he is humble.

Where there is humility, there is inquiry. Where there is humility, the door to knowing opens. Where one knows one’s ignorance, the journey toward wisdom begins. In this verse, for the first time, it is clear even to Arjuna that Krishna is the knower and he the ignorant. Earlier Arjuna too was a knower—Krishna perhaps number two. He himself was number one till now. It is very hard to put another in the first place.

I have heard: Gandhi went to London for the Round Table Conference. One of his devotees went to meet Bernard Shaw. The devotee asked, “Do you consider Gandhi a Mahatma or not?”

Devotees worry greatly whether others consider their Mahatma a Mahatma. They are unsure within; so they want a stronger guarantee from others. Why go ask Bernard Shaw? The devotee himself must have doubted. He thought, let’s ask Shaw. And he must also have thought: at least as a courtesy Shaw will say yes.

But people like Bernard Shaw do not practice etiquette; they practice truth-etiquette. And that is another matter—it is not show. Shaw said, “Your Gandhi is a Mahatma—absolutely. But number two.” The devotee asked, “Number two? Who is number one?” Shaw said, “I am! I cannot lie. I cannot put anyone above myself. That is my clear realization.”

The devotee was horrified—what an egotist! But Shaw was very honest. Everyone secretly puts himself first. Even he who says, “I am dust at your feet,” keeps himself number one. “Dust at your feet” and such are just manners.

Shaw said, “The truth is: at most I can put your Mahatma at number two. Number one is fixed. Don’t even discuss it. There is no doubt. I am number one.”

He was making a deep satire on the whole human race. Sometimes the satirist says what the very wise cannot.

There is an Arabic saying: whenever God creates a man, before pushing him into the world He whispers a joke in his ear: “A better man than you has never been made.” All men live by that joke. It rings in the ear all life long: “No one better than me!” But it must be kept in the heart, because God told the same to everyone. Say it aloud and there can only be quarrels. So in the mind each person thinks so. He speaks politely to others and holds the truth within: I know the truth.

In all his earlier questions, Krishna knew Arjuna was still number one. Through all this, Krishna has tried to topple his number one place, to help him see the real situation—do not think yourself first in vain. For only that one attains the number one who has no idea of being number one. He becomes it. The one who knows it never becomes it. For the first time Arjuna is humble. Now his humble inquiry begins. Now he asks, “Tell me, Krishna!” And in this asking there is great humility.

Questions in this Discourse

Osho, as you have said, sthitaprajna is an inner phenomenon. And the man of sthitaprajna does not live by any pattern, does not live by making any fixed pattern. As with the Buddha, whose three answers were different. Then, even from the outside, how can we determine that he is a sthitaprajna?
You ask rightly. In the person within whom the rays of truth begin to spread, in whom the sun of truth rises, whose inner consciousness attains awakening—total awakening—his life becomes spontaneous, natural, self-arising. To find any pattern, any framework in his life becomes difficult. There are no fixed, drawn lines in his life. His life does not run on railway tracks; it flows like the Ganges—rushing, full of freedom. There are no laid tracks along which such a person “has to” move.

And yet, some things can be said. Because even in his no-pattern there is a very deep pattern. Even in his lack of structure there is a deep inner order—an inner discipline. On the surface there is no structure.

For example, at least this can be said: his life is spontaneous, self-arising. This too is information. This too is a clue. Buddha says something in the morning, something else at noon, and something else in the evening. There is no pattern—yet there is. There is no structure. What was said in the morning is not repeated at noon.

A person like Buddha does not live by being dead; he lives by being alive. The one who will merely repeat at noon what he said in the morning is the one who is dead by noon. The one who has lived till noon will answer afresh—he will respond anew. His answer will always be new. New means he will not repeat the old answer. You will ask, and then the answer will resound in him—whatever it may be!

But even in these three different happenings, in these three discrepancies, in this inconsistency, there is an inner consistency. In the morning Buddha responds spontaneously; at noon, too; in the evening, too. In the morning he sees that the man only wants proof; at noon he sees again that he wants proof; in the evening he sees again the same demand. In the morning he shakes him, at noon he shakes him, in the evening he shakes him.

There is no dead framework over Buddha, but there is a living current. And about that living current, some indications can be given. For example, one indication is that the life of the sthitaprajna is spontaneous, immediate, self-arising. Therefore, though on the surface the lives of two sthitaprajnas may look utterly different, their inner unity can be examined and recognized.

As I said earlier, several friends asked me, how can this be? I said that once Mahavira and Buddha stayed in the same village, in the same rest house. Now, two sthitaprajnas in the same rest house—this is rare. On this earth, it is barely possible that two sthitaprajnas happen at the same time. In the same rest house, in the same village—a very rare phenomenon, an extraordinary event. So friends asked me: were they so egoistic that they did not meet?

This is exactly how it occurs to us immediately. Because when we don’t meet someone, it is only out of ego that we don’t meet. And we have no other reason. Why should we meet? But we don’t realize that if the ego is not there, how can “meeting” even happen? For the one who meets is the ego, and the one who refuses to meet is also the ego. It doesn’t occur to us.

Who will meet? There has to be someone—to meet, or not to meet. Where is Buddha! Where is Mahavira! Whom is one to meet? Is there any “other” left to meet? If Buddha were still there as a person, he would have gone to meet Mahavira—or refused to meet.

It is a great delight that they neither met nor refused to meet. It simply did not happen—It didn’t happen. There was no way. Because who is to meet? With whom? Even to meet, ego is needed. And then, for what? There must be a reason.

Yes, if there had been ego, they might have refused even to stay in the same rest house. They would have said, we won’t stay there. But they stayed. If someone had taken them by the hand, they would have gone. They would not have stopped themselves, nor would they have resisted, saying, we won’t go. No one took them. No one drew the two together.

In fact, around both there must have been such a great net of egoists that it served as a wall. Around both there must have been such a net of egoists that it became a hard rampart. If any attempt had been made, the devotees would not have let the meeting happen. How could that be! If Buddha’s devotees had said to Mahavira’s devotees, bring Mahavira to meet, they would have said, should we bring him? You bring your Buddha, if you want a meeting. They would have said, how is it possible that we should bring Buddha! Buddha cannot come. But this conversation would have gone on among the devotees—among those standing all around them. They are always standing there.

In this world there is no wall between Buddha, Mahavira, Krishna, Mohammed, and Jesus; the wall exists because of the devotees—those who surround them. A formidable wall. Yes, if Buddha had wanted, he could have broken the wall. But even to break it, there was no reason. If Mahavira had wanted to meet, he could have met. But Mahavira and Buddha do not live out of wanting; they live utterly desireless, out of non-wanting. If a meeting were to happen, it would happen. If it did not, it did not. If they happened to meet on the road while walking, they would have met. If they did not meet, they did not. But both are exactly the same. Both are exactly the same.

Another friend has written to me about this, saying: You say that what Mahavira and Buddha say is exactly one. Then did Buddha and Mahavira not see that it is one?
It was clearly seen. It was clearly seen. So the question is: if it was clearly seen, why did they not just say that it is One?
They did not say it—out of compassion for you. Because if Buddha and Mahavira were to declare that it is absolutely one, you would only be confused and nothing would happen; you would only be bewildered, and nothing would be possible.

That is why Mahavira goes on saying, “What I am saying is the right thing. What Buddha says is useless. What I am saying—this alone is right.” Your minds are so weak that unless Mahavira speaks in such extremes, nothing is going to register in your mind. Because you are so weak that if you were to see Mahavira saying, “This is also right, that is also right; this too is right, that too is right—everything is right,” you would run away. You yourself are so weak that you would conclude, “If everything is right, then fine, we too are fine as we are.” The conclusion you would draw is, “Then we are fine! Then we can go.”

If Mahavira had to speak among the wise, he would say, “All are right.” If Buddha had to speak among the wise, Buddha would say, “All are right.” In fact, if they had to speak among the wise, neither Buddha nor Mahavira would speak at all—not even to the extent of saying that all are right. But they have to speak among the ignorant.

You do not know this agony of Buddha and Mahavira. They have to speak among those who know nothing. For them such absolute statements, such categorical utterances as “all is right” would be futile, meaningless. For them one has to say, “This alone is right.” And one has to say it with such force that the weight, dignity, and majesty of Mahavira’s very presence attaches itself to that “this alone is right”—then perhaps you might take two steps.

Yes, Mahavira knows perfectly well that the day you arrive, you will know that all are right. But that is left for that day; there is no need to worry about it now.

You are walking on a mountain. I say of my path, “This is the right one.” You ask, “What about that path over there?” I say, “Absolutely wrong!” When I say “absolutely wrong,” I do not mean that it is absolutely wrong; I know perfectly well that people have reached by that path too. But a thousand paths go up the mountain, and you can walk on only one, not on a thousand. And if a thousand of them appear right to you, the likelihood is not that you will walk on a thousand, but that you will not walk even on one. You will take two steps on one, then two steps on another, then two steps on a third. Given how wobbly your mind is, it will keep changing paths, and you will go on loitering at the foot of the mountain.

Many thousand paths reach the mountain top, but no one arrives by walking on a thousand paths. Infinite paths lead to the divine, but no one arrives by traveling on infinite paths. Those who arrive always arrive by one path.

So, it is appropriate that Mahavira, standing on his path, should say, “You will reach by this very path—come.” And it is necessary, so that trust and commitment can arise in you to walk this path, that he says, “No other path leads there.”

Because of you, Mahavira has to tell untruths; and because of you, Buddha has to tell untruths. Out of the compassion the enlightened feel for human beings, they have to utter many untruths. But those untruths are spoken in the trust that once you climb by even one path and reach the peak, you yourself will see that all the paths have brought you to the same place.
Now, as has been asked: will there be a framework? There will be none. But consider this: Krishna will say, “Walk by this path,” Buddha will say, “Walk by this path,” Mahavira will say, “Walk by this path,” Shankara will say, “Walk by this path.” And if trouble arises and someone asks Shankara, “What do you think of Buddha’s path?” he will say, “Absolutely wrong.” And if someone asks Buddha, “What do you think of Mahavira’s path?” Buddha will say, “Absolutely wrong.” And if someone asks Mahavira, “What do you think of Buddha’s path?” Mahavira will say, “Perfect—if you want to go astray.” On this point, they will all be saying exactly the same thing.
From the surface no frameworks will be visible, but if you inquire very deeply there will be very living patterns. Patterns, too, can be dead or living.

A painter paints a picture—that is dead. But a picture that nature makes is living. A painter can paint a tree, but it is dead. Nature also makes a tree, but that is alive. It is changing every moment: some leaves are falling, some arriving, some departing, some sprouting; winds are stirring it.

A sun rises in the morning, and a Van Gogh also paints a sunrise. But Van Gogh’s sunrise is fixed—static, stagnant. The morning sun never stands still; it goes on rising, never pausing. It rises so much that it sets; it does not stop for a single moment.

In life, the patterns are all living. They are like this: you stand beneath a tree. Sunbeams filter through the leaves. The winds run through the tree; below, a net of light and shadow forms. It quivers every moment, changes every moment—moment to moment.

The wisdom of the sthitaprajna is steady, but the pattern of his life is utterly alive; it changes moment to moment.

It is hard to find a person more fluid than Krishna. Otherwise we could not even conceive that the same man plays the flute and the same man stands holding the Sudarshan chakra. The same man dances with the gopis—so tender—and that very man becomes so stern for war. The same man climbs a tree with the clothes of women bathing in the river, and that very man goes on extending cloth to the disrobed Draupadi—endlessly. One and the same man—such a changing pattern!

Those who had seen Krishna sitting up in a tree with the gopis’ garments—could they ever have imagined that this man would extend clothes to a woman being stripped? This man! They could not even accidentally imagine it. Could anyone have thought that this man who wears peacock feathers and dances among women would ever become the most resounding voice on earth for war? Unthinkable. What connection is there between peacock feathers and wars? Any congruence?

But he is not a dead man; peacock feathers do not bind him. He is not a dead man; the melody of the flute does not bind him. He is not a dead man; he is a living man.

And a living man means responsive. Whatever situation the world brings, he will answer it—and the answers will not be readymade. The sthitaprajna’s answers are never readymade, never pre-prepared. They do not bear Samson’s seal; they are not off-the-rack clothes. Not pre-tailored for anyone to just slip into. Everything arises moment to moment from the responses the living gives to life, from the sensitivity that happens toward life—moment to moment. Therefore, there is no discipline imposed from above, but within there is a deep discipline.

And one more thing. In those whose lives have an outer discipline, it is because they do not trust inner discipline. They have no discipline within. Those who have no trust in inner discipline bind themselves with discipline from the outside. But those who trust the discipline within move utterly free on the outside. There is simply no fear. No fear at all. They do not live by being prepared; they live because they are prepared. Whatever situation comes, the response will arise from them. There is no need to prepare for that response in advance.

The Blessed Lord said:
Prajahati yada kaman sarvan Partha manogatan
atmany evatmana tushtah sthitaprajnas tadochyate. (2.55)

The Lord said: O Partha, when a man renounces all sense-desires that arise in the mind, and when he is content in himself, by himself, then he is called a man of steady wisdom.

Content in one’s own nature—to be content with oneself—Krishna calls this the first characteristic of the sthitaprajna. We are never content with ourselves. If any one trait can be said to define us, it is discontent with ourselves. The whole current of our life is a stream of discontent with ourselves. If we are left alone, we do not feel good, because alone we are left only with ourselves. We need someone else—company, companionship. We feel good only when there is someone else.

And the great irony is that two people feel good together—and these very two people feel bad when alone. One who is not delighted in his own company—how will he give delight to another? And the one who does not even consider himself worthy of giving joy to himself—how will he give joy to another? Our condition is almost like this: two beggars meet on the road and both hold out their begging bowls to each other. Both beggars!

I have heard of a village where two astrologers lived. When they set out in the morning, each would show his palm to the other to see how the day’s business would go!

None of us is truly pleased with himself. A moment alone becomes oppressive. We never tire of anyone as much as we tire of ourselves. Turn on the radio, pick up the newspaper, go to a friend, go to a hotel, go to the movies, watch a dance, go to the temple—go somewhere, anywhere, but don’t stay with yourself. With oneself—it becomes very...

Krishna gives the first aphorism: content with oneself, fulfilled in oneself. Naturally, one who is not fulfilled in himself will have his consciousness always flowing toward the other; his consciousness will always be trembling toward the other. In fact, where we believe satisfaction lies, there the lamp of our consciousness leans. Whether it is actually found there or not is another matter. But wherever satisfaction appears, the stream of our life starts flowing in that direction.

So we keep flowing here and there twenty-four hours a day. Everywhere—except one place: being in ourselves. Our being totters on every side. Then whomever we sit with, after a little while they too bore us. We get bored with friends, bored with lovers, bored with the club, bored with games, bored with cards. So then the subject has to be changed. Then the race begins—quickly change—to a new sensation, a new stimulus. Everything goes stale—bring something new, new, new. We keep running in it.

But we never look at this: if I am discontented with myself, where will I ever be content? If I am sick within, how will I be healthy with anyone at all? If sorrow is within me, how will someone else’s happiness fill me?

Yes, for a little while there can be deception. People carry a bier to the cremation ground on their shoulders; along the way they change shoulders. One shoulder starts hurting, so they shift the bier to the other shoulder. Does the weight of the bier become less? No. The aching shoulder gets some relief. On the new shoulder there is briefly the illusion that all is well. Then the other shoulder begins to ache. Does anything really change by transferring the weight? Nothing changes. If the weight is on you, changing shoulders will not help. And if the pain is within, changing companions will not help. And if the pain is within, changing places will not help.

Seeking satisfaction in the other is the unsteadiness of wisdom; finding satisfaction in oneself is the steadiness of wisdom. But only the one can find satisfaction in himself who experiences the truth that satisfaction is not found in the other. So long as the illusion remains that it will be found—if not in this one then in another, if not in the second then in the third—so long as this illusion persists, for births upon births wisdom will remain unsteady. As long as this illusion keeps chasing you—that it does not matter, if happiness was not found in this woman, it might be found in another; not in this man, perhaps in another; not in this house, perhaps in another; not in this car, perhaps in another—so long as the illusion remains that change will bring it, wisdom will keep wobbling, keep trembling. This hankering for objects, this mirage of the drums sounding sweet from afar, will keep the mind quivering.

But man is very astonishing. If there is a most astonishing secret about him, it is this: he is infinitely capable of deceiving himself. Infinite is his capacity to self-deceive. Before a deception breaks in one place—indeed, before it can break—he has arranged another deception for himself.

Bernard Shaw has said somewhere how amusing the mind is: before the pegs of the tent of illusion can be uprooted in one place, the mind at once hammers pegs into another place and starts making arrangements. In truth, the mind is so clever that even before the tent is uprooted from one spot, it has already driven the pegs elsewhere.

And we all understand this. If a wife sees that the husband is a little less enthusiastic, she intuitively understands at a very deep instinctive level that the pegs must be being driven into another woman somewhere. Immediately! Immediately something within tells her: somewhere else the pegs are going in. And ninety-nine times out of a hundred this is true. True, because ninety-nine times out of a hundred a man does not become a sthitaprajna. And the mind cannot live without hammering pegs.

Yes, on one occasion it is wrong: in the case of a Buddha it goes wrong. Yashodhara too must at first have thought, “Something is off. Surely some other woman has come in between—otherwise how could he run away!”

Therefore when Buddha returned home after twelve years, Yashodhara was very annoyed—very angry. Because she could not even conceive that the mind might not have hammered pegs somewhere else—that it might have uprooted all its pegs everywhere. And yet, the great irony is that a woman would be more pained to find there are no pegs anywhere than to find her man has driven pegs into another woman. Because this becomes absolutely beyond understanding.

To what Arjuna asked Krishna, the first answer is very deep, original, foundational. As long as the mind thinks that happiness can be found elsewhere, it remains discontented with itself. So long as it is discontented with itself, the craving for the other will keep vibrating its consciousness; the other will keep pulling it. And if the flame of its lamp keeps leaning toward the other, it cannot be steady. The moment it becomes clear—there is no happiness in the other—the moment the mind stops hammering pegs into the other, spontaneous consciousness becomes steady within itself. The event of steady wisdom happens.

Byron got married. He barely married. He had relations with some sixty women. You will think, “What a man!” But if you think so, you are deceiving yourself. In fact, it is hard to find a man who would be satisfied even with sixty women. It is another matter that there is fear of society, no courage, there are systems, there are laws, and then there is a lot of trouble.

But one woman compelled Byron to marry. She said, “First marriage, then anything else. First marriage—otherwise don’t even touch my hand.” They married. Church bells were ringing, candles lit, friends were bidding farewell. Coming down the church steps, Byron was holding his new bride’s hand in his. And just then a woman was seen passing on the street. His hand slipped. His wife looked, startled—and Byron was no longer there. Only his body stood; his mind had gone after that woman.

His wife said, “What are you doing?” Byron said, “Ah, it’s you? But the moment your hand came into mine, you suddenly became unnecessary to me. For a moment my mind went after that woman. And I began to wish, ‘If only I could have her!’”

An honest man. Otherwise it is very hard to say such a thing to a newlywed wife on the very first day. Hard even after sixty years. The first day—not even the first day—still descending the church steps. The woman stood there, shocked. But Byron said, “I have only told you what is true.”

So it is with all of us. Have you ever noticed? The car for which you were mad, for which you lost sleep for many nights—that car is now parked in your porch. Then? Then tomorrow another car flashes by on the road, and its shine enters your eyes. Then the same ache returns. The house for which you were crazy, thinking you would enter some paradise upon entering it—you entered it. And the moment you entered, the house was forgotten and no paradise was found. And then paradise began to appear somewhere else. It is a mirage. Happiness is always somewhere else, and the mind keeps running.

Krishna says: only when joy is here—within, in oneself—does the steadiness of wisdom become available.

Enough for now. Then—this evening.