Chapter #13
Even Bein Gawd Ain T A Bed Of Roses #13
Date:
1979-10-13
(pm)
Place:
Chuang Tzu Auditorium
Osho's Commentary
HERBERT, NILGE, AND FIVE-YEAR-OLD ALEX. ALEX: A HELPER OF MANKIND.
OSHO : The only way to help humanity is to be blissful. There is no other way. If one is miserable and tries to help others one will make them miserable too, because we can give only that which we have. In all our relationships we give ourselves as we are. Hence my sannyasins have to be blissful so that they can spread bliss everywhere, in all their relationships and in whatsoever they do.
HERBERT MEANS GLORY....
OSHO : The moment God touches you, you become glorious. Without that magic touch you remain meaningless, you remain dark, you remain hollow. With the touch of God, suddenly you are overflowing with joy, overflowing with love, overflowing with grace. Life is precious only if it is lived in tune with God, otherwise life is hell, otherwise life is far worse than death.
Not to be in tune with God is hell, and to be in tune with God is paradise.
NILGE HAS NO IDEA OF THE MEANING OF HER NAME.
OSHO : Because we don't know the meaning of nilge, one thing can be said about it; that bliss is also an unknown phenomenon. It is Turkish! (LAUGHTER) Even those who know Turkish don't know exactly what the meaning of bliss is because it has never been expressed in any language, it is inexpressible. But it can be lived and experienced, and that is the real thing: to live it, to be it. Who cares whether it can be expressed or not? All that is great is inexpressible.
Words are made to express mundane things. The moment you enter into the dimension of the divine words have to be left behind. With the divine communion happens in silence. Nothing is said and nothing is heard but a flame jumps from the divine to your heart and you become aflame with God. That is bliss.
OSHO (to Hayden) : When you are empty of all rubbish, garbage, when it has been burned, you are available to God, because God can enter into you only when there is space.
Ordinarily everybody is so full of rotten furniture that God cannot enter; there is no space. Sannyas means creating space for God to enter you. God has been knocking on your door, as He has been knocking on each door, on everybody's door, but rarely does He find a door open and rarely does He find people awake, and rarely does He find space enough for Him to become a resident within your being. He is ready to become a guest, but you have to become a host first!
OSHO (to Jutta) : Unless you love the existence of God, you have not prayed yet. Unless you love his trees and birds and animals and people and rocks and rivers, you have not praised him. The only way to praise him is to love his creation. And love has to be unconditional, without any demand and without any motive. Then love brings great freedom and great bliss. Then love opens the doors of paradise for you.
OSHO (to Pramano) : God cannot be proved logically, neither he can be disproved logically. Logic is quite irrelevant, so those who go on arguing for and against are simply wasting their time. It is not a question of logic at all. It belongs to a totally different dimension, the dimension of love.
Love more and you will be able to see God more. Love totally and you will be able to see God absolutely. It does not matter whether you believe in God or not. Even if you believe, if you don't love you will not come across him. Or, you may be an atheist -- but if you love, you are bound to meet him. So the whole thing hangs upon one single phenomenon: the phenomenon of love. Love is the only proof of God. Love and know it.
OSHO (to Devagyan) : The only preparation required is to put the mind aside -- that's what meditation is all about: a strategy to stop this constantly chattering mind, this crazy mind, that goes on and on for no reason at all. It is busy without any business.
I am not saying that the mind has to be destroyed; it has only to be put aside so when you need to you can use it. It is like your car parked in the garage: when you want to use it you can take it out of the garage, then you are the master. But ordinarily the situation has become just the reverse: the car insists on not going into the garage. The car says "I am not going to stop," the car says "You have to run with me," and it goes on running twenty-four hours a day. Even while you are asleep the mind goes on and on. Ordinarily once it starts in childhood it never stops before death, unless somebody starts moving into meditation.
Those are the very fortunate few people who enter into meditation. Then mind stops and suddenly they become aware of the sun that was hiding behind the clouds of the mind. That awareness of the ultimate light, of the ultimate sun, is divine knowledge.
OSHO (to Rick) : There is no devil. But the priest were trying to be very logical. It was because of the demand of logic that the devil had to be invented. In experience, in ordinary experience, we are always encountering polar opposites: the negative and the positive, life and death, love and hate, happiness and unhappiness, day and night. We are constantly encountering opposites, so it is impossible for logic to conceive something which has no opposite to it. Hence the devil: the devil is a fiction, a fiction just to satisfy our logical minds -- otherwise God has no opposite. So it is with bliss, so it is with real love, so it is with real beauty, so it is with real truth.
If beauty has its opposite in ugliness then it is not real beauty. If truth has its opposite in untruth then it is not the ultimate truth, and our search is for the ultimate. Our quest is for the ultimate, for the one, because by knowing one all is known, and by becoming that one all problems are resolved.
OSHO (to Sangit) : The accord between you and the whole is so total that you start dissolving into it and the whole starts dissolving into you. The dewdrop slips into the ocean and the ocean slips into the dewdrop. They lose their separate identities, they become one.
That is the goal of sannyas: disappearing into God so that God can disappear into you; melting so totally that nothing is kept back, no holding back; plunging so totally into existence that there is no plunger but only the plunge, that there is no jumper but only the jump, that there is no dancer but only the dance.
And then things are totally different; the same world is no more the same. Then each moment is sacred and each opportunity to grow, to grow in more blissfulness, in more light, in more truth. Then life is a constant pilgrimage, unending. Revelations upon revelations, peaks upon peaks, go on appearing before you. Life is really life then; otherwise people only vegetate.
Osho's Commentary
ALEX: A HELPER OF MANKIND.
OSHO : The only way to help humanity is to be blissful. There is no other way. If one is miserable and tries to help others one will make them miserable too, because we can give only that which we have. In all our relationships we give ourselves as we are. Hence my sannyasins have to be blissful so that they can spread bliss everywhere, in all their relationships and in whatsoever they do.
HERBERT MEANS GLORY....
OSHO : The moment God touches you, you become glorious. Without that magic touch you remain meaningless, you remain dark, you remain hollow. With the touch of God, suddenly you are overflowing with joy, overflowing with love, overflowing with grace. Life is precious only if it is lived in tune with God, otherwise life is hell, otherwise life is far worse than death.
Not to be in tune with God is hell, and to be in tune with God is paradise.
NILGE HAS NO IDEA OF THE MEANING OF HER NAME.
OSHO : Because we don't know the meaning of nilge, one thing can be said about it; that bliss is also an unknown phenomenon. It is Turkish! (LAUGHTER) Even those who know Turkish don't know exactly what the meaning of bliss is because it has never been expressed in any language, it is inexpressible. But it can be lived and experienced, and that is the real thing: to live it, to be it. Who cares whether it can be expressed or not? All that is great is inexpressible.
Words are made to express mundane things. The moment you enter into the dimension of the divine words have to be left behind. With the divine communion happens in silence. Nothing is said and nothing is heard but a flame jumps from the divine to your heart and you become aflame with God. That is bliss.
OSHO (to Hayden) : When you are empty of all rubbish, garbage, when it has been burned, you are available to God, because God can enter into you only when there is space.
Ordinarily everybody is so full of rotten furniture that God cannot enter; there is no space. Sannyas means creating space for God to enter you. God has been knocking on your door, as He has been knocking on each door, on everybody's door, but rarely does He find a door open and rarely does He find people awake, and rarely does He find space enough for Him to become a resident within your being. He is ready to become a guest, but you have to become a host first!
OSHO (to Jutta) : Unless you love the existence of God, you have not prayed yet. Unless you love his trees and birds and animals and people and rocks and rivers, you have not praised him. The only way to praise him is to love his creation. And love has to be unconditional, without any demand and without any motive. Then love brings great freedom and great bliss. Then love opens the doors of paradise for you.
OSHO (to Pramano) : God cannot be proved logically, neither he can be disproved logically. Logic is quite irrelevant, so those who go on arguing for and against are simply wasting their time. It is not a question of logic at all. It belongs to a totally different dimension, the dimension of love.
Love more and you will be able to see God more. Love totally and you will be able to see God absolutely. It does not matter whether you believe in God or not. Even if you believe, if you don't love you will not come across him. Or, you may be an atheist -- but if you love, you are bound to meet him. So the whole thing hangs upon one single phenomenon: the phenomenon of love. Love is the only proof of God. Love and know it.
OSHO (to Devagyan) : The only preparation required is to put the mind aside -- that's what meditation is all about: a strategy to stop this constantly chattering mind, this crazy mind, that goes on and on for no reason at all. It is busy without any business.
I am not saying that the mind has to be destroyed; it has only to be put aside so when you need to you can use it. It is like your car parked in the garage: when you want to use it you can take it out of the garage, then you are the master. But ordinarily the situation has become just the reverse: the car insists on not going into the garage. The car says "I am not going to stop," the car says "You have to run with me," and it goes on running twenty-four hours a day. Even while you are asleep the mind goes on and on. Ordinarily once it starts in childhood it never stops before death, unless somebody starts moving into meditation.
Those are the very fortunate few people who enter into meditation. Then mind stops and suddenly they become aware of the sun that was hiding behind the clouds of the mind. That awareness of the ultimate light, of the ultimate sun, is divine knowledge.
OSHO (to Rick) : There is no devil. But the priest were trying to be very logical. It was because of the demand of logic that the devil had to be invented. In experience, in ordinary experience, we are always encountering polar opposites: the negative and the positive, life and death, love and hate, happiness and unhappiness, day and night. We are constantly encountering opposites, so it is impossible for logic to conceive something which has no opposite to it. Hence the devil: the devil is a fiction, a fiction just to satisfy our logical minds -- otherwise God has no opposite. So it is with bliss, so it is with real love, so it is with real beauty, so it is with real truth.
If beauty has its opposite in ugliness then it is not real beauty. If truth has its opposite in untruth then it is not the ultimate truth, and our search is for the ultimate. Our quest is for the ultimate, for the one, because by knowing one all is known, and by becoming that one all problems are resolved.
OSHO (to Sangit) : The accord between you and the whole is so total that you start dissolving into it and the whole starts dissolving into you. The dewdrop slips into the ocean and the ocean slips into the dewdrop. They lose their separate identities, they become one.
That is the goal of sannyas: disappearing into God so that God can disappear into you; melting so totally that nothing is kept back, no holding back; plunging so totally into existence that there is no plunger but only the plunge, that there is no jumper but only the jump, that there is no dancer but only the dance.
And then things are totally different; the same world is no more the same. Then each moment is sacred and each opportunity to grow, to grow in more blissfulness, in more light, in more truth. Then life is a constant pilgrimage, unending. Revelations upon revelations, peaks upon peaks, go on appearing before you. Life is really life then; otherwise people only vegetate.