Dhyan Darshan #7

Date: 1970-12-24 (0:09)
Place: Bombay

Osho's Commentary

My beloved Self!
A few questions.

Questions in this Discourse

A friend has asked:
After meditating here, should one continue to meditate at home as well?
You must. Here we are only learning. Here it is enough that you understand the method. Then continue that experiment at home, and its depth will keep increasing.
Another friend has asked: If we continue this at home—shouting, dancing, laughing—the people around us will start thinking we are crazy.
People around already think one another mad. They may not say it; that’s another matter. This whole earth is almost a madhouse. Except for themselves, people consider everyone else mad. But if you show courage and do this experiment, the likelihood of your going mad will decrease day by day. The one who accumulates madness inside can indeed go mad; the one who throws madness out can never go mad.

For a day or two—at most four days—people will be curious. After four days nobody is ready to keep their curiosity. No one is so interested in another that they stay curious for long. And the change that will come into your behavior round the clock will also be visible; not only your crying and shouting will be seen. When you are angry, have you ever worried whether people will think you mad? You don’t think of it then—because you are mad in that moment! But if this meditation experiment continues, your twenty-four-hour life will be transformed. Your behavior will change—you will be more calm, more silent, more loving, more compassionate. That too will be visible.

So don’t worry; let them think you mad for four days. After four days, eight days, fifteen days, the very same people will be asking you, “This change happening to you—can it happen to us too?”

If you get frightened by public opinion—what people will say—you cannot go very deep. Be courageous! And whether people take you to be mad or wise, how much difference does it make? The real question is whether you are mad or not. The real question is not what people think. Pay attention to your own state: what is your condition—does it belong to a madman or not? Nothing will come from hiding that condition; it needs to be dissolved.

Then this crying, shouting, laughing, dancing will gradually settle. As the madness is flung out, quietness will come. It may continue from three weeks to three months—at least three weeks, at most three months. The more intensely you throw it out, the sooner it will be finished. Each person will take a slightly different time, because the amount of accumulated madness differs. But the more vigorously you pour it out, the sooner it will be expelled and you will become quiet. As quietness deepens, even if you want to, you will not be able to shout, dance, cry, or laugh. Mere wanting does nothing; there must be something inside to come out.

And as the depth grows, only the first step and the fourth step will remain. The second will drop first. Then gradually even the urge to inquire will not arise; even asking “Who am I?” will seem a hindrance—the third step will also drop. Later the first step too will remain only a minute or two—no sooner have you taken a breath than you go straight into the fourth step. Ultimately, as depth becomes complete, the first step will remain for just two minutes, and directly the fourth will arrive. For a full forty to fifty minutes you will remain in the fourth state.

But if you try from your side to bring the fourth state, it will never come. You have to pass through the second and the third steps; when they fall away, it comes on its own.
A friend has asked: In the fourth stage, ten minutes feel far too short.
Whoever truly enters meditation will find them far too short. Whoever does not will find them far too long. Both kinds of people are here. One who does not enter will feel, “Who knows how these ten minutes became so long!” One who does enter will feel, “It just began, and it is already over.” Because time contracts with our joy. Time is not something real. Time depends on our experience; it is conditional. The more happiness there is, the shorter time becomes. The more suffering there is, the longer time becomes. The hands of the clock keep moving as they do, but there are the hands of the heart as well, and with joy and sorrow their speed changes. When you are happy, a moment flies like the wind. When you are unhappy, even a moment sits like a stone and won’t budge.

So for those to whom meditation is happening, even ten minutes are too little; in a few days even ten hours will be too little. And then there is no need to sit separately for meditation; then meditation continues for twenty‑four hours. Standing, sitting, working—the same flavor, the same bliss begins to spread. Then even ten lifetimes seem small.

In my view, ten minutes are indeed very little, but here we are only understanding the experiment. At home you can go beyond ten minutes. Fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, half an hour—as suits you, you can extend the fourth stage. Do not extend the first three stages beyond ten minutes each. The first three together are at most thirty minutes; do not go beyond that. The fourth stage you can make as long as you wish, because it is a stage of waiting, not of doing. The first three stages are of doing. They have been set according to your, to humanity’s, general capacity. No one should make any of those stages more than ten minutes. But the fourth stage you can lengthen as much as you like.

And as meditation deepens, half an hour, even an hour will pass in the fourth stage. It will pass effortlessly; you won’t even know when it went by. You can experiment with that at home. Here we have to finish in ten minutes, because there are many people and it is necessary to consider all of them. And here we are only to understand; the real experiment you are going to do away from here.
Another friend has asked: What is the difference between meditation and samadhi?
There is no difference at all. The difference is only that of journey and destination. Meditation is the path, samadhi the end. Where meditation brings you is samadhi. Or say it this way: the completion of meditation is samadhi. Or, where there remains no need for meditation, that is samadhi. It is all the same thing. When the destination arrives, the road is no longer needed. The stairs become useless once you have climbed. Meditation is the ladder; samadhi is the climbing beyond it.

Meditation will fall away. The day you feel there is no difference between meditation and non-meditation—when the bliss you have in meditation is the same bliss you have when not meditating—on that day know that samadhi has begun. Whether you meditate or not, the state of consciousness remains the same—the same bliss, the same light, the same presence of the Divine. Then know samadhi has come. Then meditation becomes unnecessary; it falls by itself.

The end of meditation is samadhi; the falling away of meditation is samadhi. Or say, the perfection of meditation is samadhi, the completion of meditation is samadhi. And yet, when things are complete, they drop. The fruit ripens and falls. Meditation will ripen and fall. Then you will be in meditation twenty-four hours a day. Then it won’t be that you have to meditate; meditation becomes your very nature.

Now, regarding meditation itself—perhaps a few friends are new—I will say two things for them, and then we will sit for the experiment.

First, for some friends: last night, even after much saying, some ten or fifteen people, instead of standing aside to watch, came into the middle. They obstruct others without cause. At least this much courtesy, this much understanding, must be observed. Anyone who only wants to watch should not remain among those doing the experiment. Sit far away; watch from anywhere you like, there is no harm—but do not come into the middle here. And let there be no one in the middle who feels he is not meditating—perhaps you sat down to meditate, and after a while you feel like watching—then quietly step out; do not stand here. Go outside, a little away.

Meditation has three stages. First: ten minutes of intense breathing. Second: ten minutes of catharsis—let the body do whatever is happening: crying, laughing, shouting, dancing. In the third, ask, “Who am I?” And the fourth stage is not of doing but of waiting. Then leave everything at the feet of the Divine; whatsoever happens, let it. In this fourth stage many experiences are happening and will happen. If someone is not having them, he should understand that somewhere he is making a mistake in the first three stages. And there is only one mistake—there are not many. The one mistake is that he is not doing each stage with total resolve. There is no other mistake. In this experiment there can be only one mistake: that you are doing it half-heartedly—part of you is doing it and part is not.

Just as I said no non-doer should stand among the doers, otherwise there is obstruction, so too within you, if behind the doing mind a non-doing part stands watching, an even greater obstacle arises. For then you yourself are split in two—one a spectator and one a doer—and that creates much hindrance.

One more note! Some friends missed something that others caught—and those who caught it got great results. For some friends the second stage does not begin by itself. If it doesn’t, then start it yourself, but do not just stand there. If you start, then after two or four minutes it will begin on its own. If you begin to dance, the forced dance will break and spontaneous dance will come. Those friends who tried this found that later it began to come by itself. Treat the second stage the same way: if it comes by itself, fine; if not, start it yourself and it will come on its own. Our habits are strong—we have perhaps never danced; how can it come all at once? The mind stands still. And the body has no language to tell you, “Dance.” The body only has signals. A little trembling begins in the legs. If you just stand, the legs will stay standing, and soon the trembling will vanish.

Yesterday a sister came and told me that her legs begin to tremble, but she does not know how to dance. If there is trembling in the legs, how else can the body tell you to dance? The body has no language. That trembling is the signal: now give full energy to the legs and let them dance. And whatever you do can be done in two ways. You can do it mildly, slowly. If someone’s body is turning, he can turn slowly, gently—then there will be no result. Give your full energy to whatever is happening. Let go, utterly let go. The result is certain.

This experiment is scientific. It depends on your doing. It is not something that will happen without you doing it. Do it, and it surely happens. And you see all around that it is happening to so many people; if still you miss out, the mistake is yours.

So, the last point: take a cue from those around you. When you can see it happening to so many, then you too jump in and put in your total energy. Today is the fourth day; tomorrow will be the last. So today, those who have lagged behind in these three days must put in their whole strength, so that by tomorrow the result becomes clear for them too. Those friends who want to ask something personal, or who have felt the urge to take sannyas and want to ask about it, can meet me between two-thirty and three-thirty today and tomorrow.

Now let us stand, and prepare for the experiment. Spread out a little, give each other space...

The energy will rise a lot; it is the fourth day, so people will dance and jump quite strongly. Be mindful of this. If there are repeated bumps, it becomes difficult. Keep some distance. And no one should leave his place and run here or there—keep jumping in your own place.

All right! I will assume there is no one standing in the middle just to watch. If you want to watch, even now step outside. Close your eyes. Join both hands and make a resolve before the Divine. And this is no ordinary resolve. When we keep the Lord as witness and resolve, it means we are committed to do it. Join your hands, bow your head, keep the Divine as witness and feel in your heart: Keeping the Divine as my witness, I resolve to put my total energy into meditation—total! Keeping the Divine as my witness, I resolve to put my total energy into meditation—total! Keeping the Divine as my witness, I resolve to put my total energy into meditation—total!

Now begin the first stage. For ten minutes raise a storm of intense breathing. Fast… fast… let there be nothing but breath, everything else disappear. Fast… fast… keep attention on yourself… come into intensity right from the start so that the result is certain… the body sways, trembles—don’t worry, you keep breathing fast… let the body sway, let it tremble… if with the breath the body begins to dance, let it dance… Fast… remember your total resolve and for ten minutes go utterly mad with breathing.

In your place, without moving from your spot… in your place—dance and jump in your place, do not move away… Fast breathing… fast… faster… even faster… fill with bliss and breathe faster… use the lungs like bellows—like a blacksmith’s bellows—breath out, in… out, in… out, in… you have to strike the kundalini… hammer… strike with the breath… fast… fast… fast…

Very good! See that no one is standing idle, no one is lagging. Be aware of those around you and pick up speed…

Very good! Seven minutes remain—faster… faster… faster… whatever happens today, no one should leave empty… faster… faster… faster… faster… Let the body sway—let it sway… tremble—let it tremble… don’t worry about your clothes or anything else—no concern… fast… drop all inhibitions and put in your entire energy… Fast… fast… six minutes remain… put in your whole strength… let there be nothing but breath… raise a storm of breath… raise a storm of breath… nothing but breath… nothing but breath…

The body will tremble… energy will awaken… the whole body will fill with electricity… the whole body will fill with electricity… the whole body will fill with lightning… dance… jump… keep breathing… nothing but breath… nothing but breath… stronger… stronger… stronger…

Five minutes remain—look within: are you behind anyone? Fast… fast… fast… fast… fast… fast… keep your eyes closed and keep striking with the breath… energy has awakened; now let it work… strike even harder, then we will be able to use the energy… awaken it… awaken it… awaken it… awaken it… filled with bliss, keep striking with the breath… the body dancing, swaying, jumping…

Four minutes—put in your entire energy; there will be no chance to awaken it in the second stage. As much as awakens now will be used in the second. Awaken it… let the whole body fill with electricity… it will tremble; every hair will tremble, every limb will tremble… fast breathing… fast breathing… fast breathing… faster… faster… faster…

Three minutes remain… come into full speed… raise a complete storm… forget everything; let only breath remain… let it feel as if this whole space is breathing. When I say one, two, three, then you will put in all the energy you have. Fast… fast…

Very good! Fast… fast… fast… fast… One! Leap… absolutely leap… jump with joy. Two! Jump… don’t hold back at all. Three! Put in every ounce of energy you have. It’s a matter of one minute—raise a total storm, then we move to the second stage. Harder… harder… try your full force on the breath… give it your whole strength…

Very good! Go on… go on… let no one lag behind… everyone come into top speed… go on… go on… go on… fast… nothing but breath…

Very good! Now enter the second stage. Now drop the body—let it do whatever it wants. Laugh, dance, jump, shout—give all your energy for ten minutes. Shout, dance, jump, cry, laugh… louder… louder… louder… in your place, don’t move from your spot… louder… energy has awakened; now let it work… laugh, dance, jump, cry, shout… louder… louder… louder… throw out all the body’s illnesses… vomit out all the mind’s diseases… louder…

Seven minutes remain—put in your total energy… empty out—whatever is happening in the body, throw it out… throw it—throw it outside… dance, jump, shout, laugh, in your place… louder… louder… put in all your strength, whatever is happening… there are so many people here; a storm should arise. Raise a total storm… louder… louder… do it with joy… do it loudly…

Five minutes remain—put in your full strength; then we will move to the third stage. Dance… dance… dance… dance… shout, jump, dance… energy has awakened, let it work; do not stop it…

Four minutes—give everything; go utterly mad. Dance… filled with bliss, dance… louder…

Three minutes remain. When I say one, two, three, then become absolutely mad. Fill with joy… dance, jump, shout… throw out… throw out… whatever is happening in the body, throw it out loudly. One! Put in your total energy… Two! Give your full strength—don’t be left behind… Three! Put in your total energy—go absolutely mad for one minute. Forget everything… shout, dance, cry, laugh… louder… louder… louder… louder… louder… then we enter the third stage… louder… louder… louder… it’s a matter of one minute—raise a total storm… remember your resolve; put in your entire energy… for one minute, go utterly mad… louder… louder… louder…

Now enter the third stage. Ask within—Who am I? Keep dancing, keep swaying, and ask within—Who am I? Ask it out loud—out loud: Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? For ten minutes raise a storm within. Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Ask, keep dancing, keep swaying, ask—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Let every hair ask, let every breath ask—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Pick up speed… pick up speed… keep swaying, keep dancing, ask—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Energy has awakened; use it… ask—Who am I? Ask, ask, ask—don’t lag behind—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?...

Seven minutes remain, then we will rest. Exhaust yourself, ask—Who am I? Who am I? The more you tire, the deeper you can go. Tire yourself out, dance, jump, ask… dance, dance, jump, ask—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Five minutes remain… give your total energy… joyfully keep swaying, keep asking—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Tire yourself out…

Four minutes remain… ask like a complete madman—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Shout, dance, ask—Who am I? Faster… faster… faster… louder… faster… Three minutes remain—come into full speed… remember your resolve… Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Two minutes remain—when I say one, two, three, then forget the whole world.

One! Go totally mad. Dance, dance, ask—Who am I? Two! Move… move… don’t lag… move. Three! For one minute put in your entire power—gather all your strength and apply it—Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?... Go mad… go mad… utterly forget yourself… Who am I? Who am I?... It’s a matter of a few seconds… put in your total strength… raise a storm… Who am I? Dance, jump, ask…

Enough—now drop everything… enter the fourth stage… drop everything… don’t dance, don’t ask—drop all… like a drop dissolving into the ocean. Whether you are standing, sitting, have fallen—drop it all… like a drop dissolving into the ocean. Disappear; surrender yourself into the Divine. For ten minutes, lose yourself, be absorbed. Let go, let go—drop everything, drop everything…

Now nothing is to be done—only open the doors and wait. Drop everything… be gone—as if you have died, as if you have ended. Like a drop dissolving in the ocean, be dissolved. Only light remains all around. Infinite light, as if thousands upon thousands of suns have arisen within, have come forth. Nothing but light—lost in the infinite ocean of light.

Let this light fill every pore. Let this light descend into every breath. Let this light reach every heartbeat. Only light remains—nothing but light. Infinite light, infinite light all around. Only light remains—only light remains. Drink it, drink it—drink this light completely, let it descend deeper and deeper, let not a single corner of your life remain dark—let light fill everywhere. Let it descend, descend to the deepest, last corner of the heart.

Only light remains. A rain of bliss is falling; bliss is dripping, raining upon every hair. Bliss—streams of infinite bliss are flowing within. Let them flow. Only bliss—endless bliss. Be filled, be drowned. Be filled with bliss, be drowned. Bliss is raining down. Let bliss reach to every pore, every heartbeat.

Remember, there is none other than the Divine all around—inside and out, only that One is. He is in the sky, in the earth, in the winds, everywhere—inside and out, only the Divine is. When we were not, He was; when we will not be, He will be. The wave rises and subsides; the ocean is eternal. Remember, recognize: this ocean of bliss and light all around is the Divine. This inner existence of bliss, this inner light, is the Divine. Other than the Divine, there is nothing. Everything other than the Divine is untrue. Only the Divine is truth.

Remember, remember. Recognize, recognize—this is the doorway to Him; this is the path to Him. Only bliss, only light, only the Divine. All around, only He is—within as well, without as well. Be submerged, become one. That which you have been seeking for lives upon lives—this is that place. That which you have sought for lives upon lives—this is that temple. That which you have wanted to attain for lives upon lives—this is that Divine: light within and without, bliss, nectar. This is it, this is it. How many lives you have searched, how many roads you have traveled, how many paths you have trodden—this is it. All around, only He is—within and without—remember. Only light, infinite light—only light, infinite light. Only bliss, infinite bliss. Everywhere, within and without, only the Divine is.

Now join both hands; bow your head at His unknown feet. All around are His feet. Whatever is all around is His feet. Join both hands; bow your head at His unknown feet. Surrender yourself into His hands. With your whole being say: As You wish! As You wish! With your whole being say: As You wish! Give thanks. The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless!

Remain for two moments at His unknown feet. Stay bowed for two moments at His unknown feet. Let go, surrender. The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! The Lord’s grace is boundless! Remember Him twenty-four hours. Thank Him twenty-four hours. His grace will continue twenty-four hours. His grace will continue twenty-four hours.

Now slowly release your hands. Take two or four deep breaths, then open your eyes. Sit in your place. If the eyes don’t open, place both hands over the eyes. If you cannot sit up, take two or four deep breaths, then gently sit. Those who have fallen and cannot get up, take two or four deep breaths, then get up and sit in your place. I will say two things to you, then we will take leave.

Do not hurry. If your eyes don’t open, gently place both hands and open them—don’t hurry. If you cannot sit up, don’t hurry; take two or four deep breaths, then gently sit. Those who have fallen and cannot get up, take two or four deep breaths, then gently rise. Take two or four deep breaths and gently sit or rise. Take two or four deep breaths, then gently sit. Take two or four deep breaths and sit. Those who have fallen, also take two or four deep breaths and get up.

Let me say two things to you. Many friends supported the resolve rightly and did the experiment rightly. There have been results. Results always come. Not even a single step taken toward the Divine goes in vain. Only the need is to take the step madly. Those who are not mad for the Divine do not reach Him. No kind of love is fulfilled without madness—and love for the Divine is the ultimate love. Only those who, courageously, can leave everything and leap for Him, open the doors of His temple. The clever, the calculating, the over-smart cannot even twitch there. Those who can dare to leap, leaving everything for Him, attain Him immediately.

Keep the same intensity in the night’s experiment—bring it from yourself. Here I give suggestions; in the night’s experiment I do not. You must bring the intensity yourself. Whatever is happening in the morning experiment will happen by itself in the night experiment too. Support it.

If you have questions, write them down; we will talk at night.

Our morning meeting is complete.

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