Geeta Darshan #8

Sutra (Original)

श्रद्धया परया तप्तं तपस्तत्त्रिविधं नरैः।
अफलाकांक्षिभिर्युक्तैः सात्त्विकं परिच्रते।। 17।।
सत्कारमानपूजार्थं तपो दम्भेन चैव यत्‌।
क्रियते तदिह प्रोक्तं राजसं चलमध्रुवम्‌।। 18।।
मूढग्राहेणात्मनो यत्पीडया क्रियते तपः।
परस्योत्सादनार्थं वा तत्तामसमुदाहृतम्‌।। 19।।
Transliteration:
śraddhayā parayā taptaṃ tapastattrividhaṃ naraiḥ|
aphalākāṃkṣibhiryuktaiḥ sāttvikaṃ paricrate|| 17||
satkāramānapūjārthaṃ tapo dambhena caiva yat‌|
kriyate tadiha proktaṃ rājasaṃ calamadhruvam‌|| 18||
mūḍhagrāheṇātmano yatpīḍayā kriyate tapaḥ|
parasyotsādanārthaṃ vā tattāmasamudāhṛtam‌|| 19||

Translation (Meaning)

That threefold austerity, practiced by men with supreme faith,
by the self-controlled, free of craving for results, is called sattvic. 17

Austerity undertaken for the sake of respect, honor, and worship,
and out of ostentation—this is said here to be rajasic: fickle, impermanent. 18

Austerity practiced with deluded obstinacy, by tormenting oneself,
or for another’s ruin—that is declared tamasic. 19

Osho's Commentary

Now, the sutra:
O Arjuna, that threefold austerity which is practiced with supreme faith by those yogis who do not desire the fruit is called sattvic.
And the austerity which is performed for the sake of honor, respect, and worship, or merely out of hypocrisy, is unstable and short-lived in fruit; it is called rajasic.
And the austerity which is performed foolishly, with obstinacy, causing pain to oneself in mind, speech and body, or for the purpose of harming another, is called tamasic.

Not desiring the fruit—this is the purest mark of sattva. Whatever you do in life you do out of desire for results—otherwise why would you do it?

People come to me and ask: How is it even possible not to desire the fruit? If we don’t desire, why would we act at all? If I say, “Meditate, but don’t think of the result,” they say, “Then why should we come to you? We came because we want peace. You say meditation gives peace, so we meditate—for the sake of peace.”

Then a great tangle arises. Because so long as you want something, meditation will not happen. That meditation gives peace—there’s no doubt. All meditators across the world agree on this. And they agree on a strange condition as well: as long as you desire, peace does not come—because desire itself is disturbance.

In desiring is all your turmoil. Because of desire you are tense, restless inside. How will you meditate?

Meditation means simply to be. With desire you can never simply be; something pulls you ahead. Meditation means being here, now. Desire drags you into the future—tomorrow.

Filled with desire, you don’t meditate—you stand on the bank watching meditation: “When will peace come? It hasn’t come yet. An hour is nearly over and no sign of peace.”

Then meditation will make you even more restless. You were restless anyway: you wanted wealth and didn’t get it; you wanted a beautiful woman and didn’t get her. Even when you do get these, nothing much changes: once gotten, the beautiful woman is no longer so beautiful; however much money you get, it never feels enough. Whether you get or not—no difference. You wanted success—didn’t get it; a position—didn’t get it. You never get it, because whatever position you get turns out to be small. The ambition is vast, without end.

Wherever there is desire, you will find obstacles arise. As long as there is desire, obstacles will continue.

You wandered and got tired of the world, and came to me. Now you say you want peace. You are making peace into another desire. You didn’t get money, you became distressed; you didn’t get position, you became distressed; now you say you want peace—you haven’t understood; you haven’t awakened.

It was not the desire for money per se that created disturbance; desire itself creates disturbance. Your preachers tell you: drop desire for wealth and your unrest will vanish. They are mistaken. It is dropping desire that ends unrest; the object of desire is irrelevant. Desire for liberation will bring the same unrest.

Desire is unrest. The content doesn’t matter—whether you desire liberation, wealth, God, peace—desire brings disturbance. Don’t desire, and peace is present. Disturbance follows desire like a shadow. And where desire ceases, peace does not come from outside; you suddenly find it was always there—you were missing it because of desire.

Peace is your nature; it is not to be asked or wanted. It is not outside. You have never lost it. It is your inner way of being. But because of running and chasing, you overlook the within.

So if I tell them, “Peace will come—that is certain. But please, do not desire it.”

I also understand their difficulty; their arithmetic is simple. They say, “If we don’t desire, why would we come to you? We came because we desired.” I say, “To come to me—let that much desire be enough. Now please just meditate—do not desire anything.” I explain; half-heartedly they nod, as if they somewhat understand. If they truly understood, meditation would not be needed—the matter would be finished. To see that desire itself makes me restless—that is the crux.

Just think for a moment: if you had no desire at all, how could you be restless? Is there any way to be disturbed without desire? Do you have any method? Jump, dance, do what you like—you won’t be able to be restless without desire.

If there is no desire, the very root of restlessness is gone; even meditation is not needed.

But half-heartedly the idea appeals to their intellect: “Perhaps it is so. And since you say so, it must be so. We will try. We’ll drop desire.” But deep down they drop desire only so that they will get peace.

Three days later they return: “It’s been three days since we dropped desire—peace hasn’t come yet.”

What dropping was that! To drop means: don’t pick it up again, don’t even raise the topic. The topic is finished. And then after three days you say, “We dropped desire; it’s been three days; still no peace.” You remained on the bank watching; you didn’t meditate. Your attention clung to desire; meditation could not happen; the asking remained. Perhaps you shoved it a little deeper into the dark, turned your back on it a bit. But you know it is still standing there. And so long as it stands, sattva cannot arise.

Hence Krishna says the first maxim of sattvic practice: do not desire the fruit.

This is the nishkama—desireless—state. In desire, your taste is always for the result, not for the act. In desirelessness, your taste is for the act, not for the result.

In the morning you go out walking. The sun rises. Birds sing. Spring has come—blossoms everywhere. You hum as you walk. If someone asks, “Where are you going?” What will you say? “Just out walking—going nowhere.”

Come noon, you go to the office or the shop; now the humming is gone. Everything is the same—you too are the same—the breeze is the same, nothing has changed; spring hasn’t left; flowers still bloom, birds still sing. But now you hear nothing. The sun no longer seems to give light, only heat. The birds’ songs merely add to the market’s noise. The green of trees and their flowers don’t give joy; rather they pain you because you must go to work. Everything is the same; but if someone asks now, “Where are you going?”—you’re going to the office. Your face has changed—tight with tension. There is a goal now; a fruit—none in the morning.

A sannyasin’s life is like a morning walk. A householder’s life is like going to the office at noon. That’s all the difference. No mountain to run to. Go to the office as you went for a stroll. Sit in your shop as if you’ve come to chat with friends. Work as if it were play. That’s how desirelessness happens.

Arjuna wants to flee the war. He says, “This is not worthy. There will be great violence. I’ll incur sin—rot in hell for lives—and gain nothing. Even if I get the kingdom, after so much bloodshed, after taking the lives of my own people—on that side my kin, on this side too—whoever dies, my own will die, my relatives. Friends and loved ones stand divided. No, this does not seem right.”

What is Krishna’s insistence? “Why do you think of the fruit!” If Arjuna had leapt down from the chariot and said, “I’m going,” the matter would be over; Krishna wouldn’t have been able to stop him—nor necessary. Krishna would have rejoiced: “I was waiting for this moment. Good!”

But Arjuna doesn’t say, “I am going.” He talks about fruit: “What will be the outcome? What is the essence?” He is willing—even to be violent—if only his people were not on both sides. He would have cut them like grass—he had always done that. He is a warrior. How has renunciation suddenly arisen? It’s not renunciation; it’s infatuation. And suddenly he starts speaking of hell and sin and stain for lives to come. This is the shadow of the future arising out of delusion, not knowledge. Knowledge is always in the present; delusion always in the future, in ignorance. He is thinking of fruit.

And he also sees that even if he gets wealth—why has he come to war if he doesn’t want wealth? This wisdom should have come earlier. He could have thought before: so many will die—what will I gain?

“Even if I sit on the throne,” Arjuna thinks, “what’s the point? Those for whose sake one sits on a throne—my children—will be in their graves. Friends who would have brought gifts—‘Arjuna, you are emperor at last’—will be dead. Loved ones who would have celebrated—gone. I will sit upon a throne placed in the cremation ground.”

Sitting on such a throne has no taste. Not that renunciation has come; this is calculation: the bargain is expensive—too much to pay for too little return. That is desire, not renunciation.

Krishna’s entire effort is: fight, don’t fight—that is not the big question. Become desireless. Fight or not is secondary—drop the longing for fruit.

The moment you drop the desire for fruits, a wondrous thing happens: you become a tool of the Divine. Then what He makes you do, you do. If He doesn’t, you don’t.

If the Divine does not want the war, it will not happen; Arjuna will sit laughing; Krishna can go on speaking the Gita; he will say, “Enough—stop. There is nothing to discuss. It is not happening. Existence is not making me a tool.” If He makes me a tool, I am ready to fight; if not—what can I do? But doership is no longer mine. If He makes me fight, He fights; not I. If He makes me flee, He flees; not I. Renunciation is His, householding His—nothing is mine.

Consider this. As long as there is desire for fruit, you stand rigid. As soon as desire for fruit drops, you step aside. You are the desire for fruit. Ego is the desire for fruit. If ego is to be removed, the longing for fruit must be dropped. Then the act is enough.

And what of tomorrow’s certainty? Who knows if there will be a tomorrow? Why does Arjuna think they will die and he won’t? That he will surely gain the throne?

Mulla Nasruddin went to France with his wife. To go to Paris with one’s wife is a complication. Paris and wife don’t go together. With a wife, go to Kashi or Mecca—pilgrimage! But his wife insisted, so he took her to Paris. He saw the beautiful women—restless. The wife tagging along—burdensome. Whether she came or not, it was the same.

So Mulla stopped in the middle of the street and said, “If anything happens to either of us, I will stay on in Paris.”

Understand? If anything happens to either of us, I will stay in Paris.

What is Arjuna saying to Krishna? Is tomorrow’s throne certain? Will those enemies die and you not? Will you survive? Will only their corpses lie and you sit on the throne? What assurance is there? The armies are evenly matched; who will win, who lose—there is only a fine line between. What gives Arjuna such certainty?

Every ego thinks with itself at the center. The fruit-seeker thinks with himself at the center.

Krishna says, the mark of sattva is the dropping of the desire for fruit. Become nishkama. Do today what is to be done now; don’t think of tomorrow. Leave the fruit of duty to God; it is not in our hands.

You know this too: many times you do good and bad happens; many times you intend bad and good happens.

In China it happened that from one man arose the entire science of acupuncture. He had a limp from childhood. An enemy shot an arrow to kill him. The arrow struck such a point that his limp was cured. From that arose acupuncture—the understanding that there are points in the body where a sharp instrument alters the flow of energy. The limp was due to misdirected current; the arrow shock straightened the flow; the leg straightened. The would-be murderer never imagined that his arrow would not kill the man but cure his limp, and on that basis a science would arise to help millions for millennia.

So: do evil—good may result; intend good—evil may result. Who can say?

Suppose Hitler, as a child, fell into a well—would you not save him? You would run to save a child. You could not know what venomous snake he would become. You would save him. Later he kills ten million people. Do you not have some hand in that violence? Had you not saved him, the world would say you sinned. But since you saved him, the world says you did great merit. The matter is not so simple. Those millions he killed—you had a hand in it. If you hadn’t saved him… It’s a tangled affair.

You have in your hand only the doing, says Krishna. What will happen—leave it to the Whole. Don’t insist; don’t even think what will be. Think only this: how can I do what is happening as totally, as dutifully as possible?

O Arjuna, that threefold austerity performed with supreme faith by those who do not desire the fruit is called sattvic.

The three forms of tapas we spoke of yesterday are sattvic if done in a desireless spirit. Nothing asked. One becomes merely an instrument. And they are done with supreme faith.

Naturally, a desireless spirit is possible only when your faith is supreme. Why do you hanker after the fruit? Because you are not certain the fruit will come. Otherwise, why hanker?

You sow seeds—then do you sit and desire sprouts? If you are utterly new to farming or gardening, you’ll worry, lose sleep, go again and again to see whether the sprouts have come.

Children plant mango pits; in my village we did. As a child I also planted one in the courtyard. But how much patience does a child have? After a while he will dig it up to check if it has sprouted. Elders would say, “Not like that, it will never sprout,” but curiosity does not listen. He can’t sleep—dreams of the pit sprouting, perhaps fruits already. He gets up at night to check—still nothing.

This worry arises because the child knows nothing. A gardener also plants mango pits—but does not worry. He knows they will sprout. He has done the act—manured, watered, arranged what was needed. The matter is finished. The fruit is not in our hands. Faith says, it will come.

One who knows has faith. The ignorant are faithless; the wise are full of trust. And the converse is also true: the more trustful you become, the more knowing you become. Trust and knowing are two sides of one coin; distrust and ignorance likewise.

Supreme faith means: I have done what was to be done; what is to happen will happen. If you have done the act rightly, the happening will follow. Why think about it?

If you meditate, peace will be—that is certain. So take care of meditation; don’t worry about peace. If you pray, you will be filled with light—don’t think about the light, just pray. If you live rightly, you will be liberated—don’t worry about liberation. Whoever has lived rightly has been free.

In life, fruits come if only the act is complete—because the fruit is hidden in the act. The act is the seed; the fruit is contained in it.

“Fruit” is a good word. The fruit is hidden in the seed. Outcome is called “fruit” because it is already latent in the seed.

Take care of the seed; the fruit comes of itself. No seed goes fruitless. If it does, it means only this: you failed in the act—something lacked in what was to be done; and you spent your time on what was to happen. You thought about the fruit and neglected the act. When the act is incomplete, the fruit is missed.

Therefore—with supreme faith.

Supreme faith means not a grain of doubt. If you look at life carefully, doubt disappears—there is no reason for it.

A gentleman came and said, “I do good—how can I trust? You say, ‘Trust!’ But when I do good to people they return evil. How can trust grow? It shrinks. I do virtue, and vice returns. How then can I trust? The wicked enjoy, the virtuous suffer. Saints rot, sinners sit on thrones. And Krishna says, ‘For the protection of the good and the destruction of the wicked, I come age after age.’ It seems the reverse is true—or he has changed his vow.”

I said to him: Are you absolutely certain that you did good? If you must doubt, begin there—at the beginning. What you did is the beginning; what the other did is the reaction—the end. Examine the start: did you truly want to do good?

Goodness can be a pretense. You can give a man five rupees—not to help his poverty, but so that he becomes dependent on you; so that he bows to you wherever he meets you; so that for five rupees you make him your slave. And the odd thing is—even to yourself this motive may not be clear. Life is complex: here you don’t get the result of what you do, but of the secret behind what you do.

You must have done something wrong—unawares—for wrong to return. Neem seeds yield neem fruit. You say you sowed mango and got neem. How can I believe this? Somewhere there is a mistake. Perhaps the packet was labeled “mango,” but inside were neem seeds. The only wise suspicion is toward yourself. That is the difference.

The religious person, if he doubts, doubts himself. The irreligious doubts the other—and eventually God. Doubting oneself, ego collapses; the self becomes questionable. One who has doubted himself begins to trust God. One who never doubted himself will doubt God.

Supreme faith means knowing from life’s experience: sow—and you will reap what you sow. So why worry about the reaping? Why even bring it up?

Remember, those who talk too much about results expend their energy in talk; that much energy is missing from the act, and the fruit becomes distorted. When the fruit distorts, a vicious circle begins: they panic more, and the fruit distorts further; by the third time their doubt is complete and fruits are destroyed.

No one ever reaped truth’s fruits through doubt—through faith they are reaped.

What is done with faith and desirelessness is sattvic tapas.

Hence the true ascetic asks for nothing. He does not say, “God, grant heaven, or liberation, or a house next door in paradise.” He asks nothing. He says, “Why raise that at all? That is Your concern. Why should I worry? You gave birth, You gave life, You give breath. Without our asking You have given so much. Why worry whether You will give more?”

Look carefully at what has been given—trust will appear. Fix your gaze on what you haven’t got—doubt will arise.

Action suffused with faith is sattvic.

And the austerity performed for honor, status, worship, or merely for show is rajasic and yields uncertain, fleeting fruits.

You can practice austerity solely for applause—waiting for the band to play, the procession to form. You can fast long—but you are hankering for the marching band. Childish. From that which could give the bliss of heaven you choose to hear the blare of brass. However clever you think you are, you miss. Had you not asked, so much could have rained upon you; ask—and you get the paltry.

Thus Krishna says: fleeting fruit.

For a moment there will be noise; people will talk; the wave will rise and vanish. You become president—what then? People come with bouquets—glad a day; the next day the same people throw stones. They garland you—so what? You sit on the throne—a chair set on your rooftop; you raise yourself higher and make the world low—what will you gain? Nothing.

Austerity for honor, status, worship—or for hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy means you never wanted to do it; no inner urge, no faith that it has any substance. For the sake of appearances—so people think you religious—you visit temples, keep fasts, take vows. There are benefits to hypocrisy—that’s why it’s done. If you seem religious, your shop benefits: people think, “A holy man—he won’t lie, won’t pick my pocket.”

I have heard of a jewelry shop where the owner had trained his staff in a craft. As soon as someone entered, a man seated to assess would size him up: is there heat in his pocket—money? If there was, he would say under his breath, “Hari, Hari.” For them “Hari” was code: to be ‘haran’—plundered. The next clerk would say, “Keshav, Keshav,” another code; the cashier would say, “Ram, Ram”—meaning “He’s dead”—all code. The customer, impressed by the piety, would not bargain, would not check the accounts, would not see that the gems shown were replaced by stones. All day the names of God resounded—a perfect cover.

“Ram” on the lips, knife under the arm. If you have to hide the knife, “Ram” on the lips is useful.

So some do it for hypocrisy; some for honor and gain. They will get a little—but it’s no more than a line drawn on water. Such tapas Krishna calls rajasic.

And then there are those who, foolishly, with obstinacy, tormenting mind, speech, and body—or to harm others—practice austerity. This is tamasic.

There are such people—stubborn, rigid, vain. They want to show, “We can do what no one else can”—lying on thorns. At most spectators gather and leave. It is street-show value. But the foolish can also be great ascetics. In my experience, fools are stubborn; given something to do that has no substance but hooks their ego, they do it. I have found most ascetics belong to the third category.

A man fasts for two months. He never gained anything from it before; no new energy, no light, no inner melody. Nothing. Yet he does it again. He is obstinate, perverse—hurting no one else, he tortures himself.

There are two kinds of wicked: those who torture others, and those who torture themselves. The first are less dangerous—others can defend themselves. The second are very dangerous—there is no one to protect the victim. If you stab your own body with thorns—who can save you? Starve yourself—who can save you? Cut off limbs, gouge eyes—who can save you? But such self-tormentors become “great ascetics.” You will see no flame of intelligence in their lives—only dense darkness.

Go to the lanes of Kashi; in the pilgrim places you will find such fools. In their faces you will see a filthy darkness; no light in their eyes—brutality. Have you seen the naked Naga sadhus at the Kumbh? They are of the same breed as criminals—no difference. In their own akharas they wear clothes; for the procession they strip, taking spears and swords. In their eyes you will see sin, disgust, violence, stupidity—and danger. They are ready to brawl at a moment. Twenty years ago the Kumbh rioting—hundreds died—was due to them. They won’t let anyone bathe before them—ego’s race: “First we bathe.” When others tried to enter, bedlam.

Look carefully at “saints”—they are of three kinds. Ninety percent are merely stubborn; they can do anything—beware, a stubborn man can do anything. Nine percent are rajasic—after honor and fame. Once in a while, by rare chance, you will meet one who is sattvic—who fasts not to gain anything, whose fasting is bliss, a way of being near the Divine.

Understand the difference. A sattvic person’s upavasa—fast—means upa-vasa: to dwell near—near the self, near God. It has nothing directly to do with starving. Absorbed in the inner melody, hunger and thirst are forgotten. You too have known it: watching a great dancer, listening to a captivating song—you forget hunger and thirst for three hours. When the music stops, suddenly you feel your parched throat and empty stomach. Why didn’t you feel it before? Attention was merged.

A sattvic person’s fast is like that—so absorbed in God that hunger and thirst are forgotten. Returning from that absorption, hunger is felt. Hence upavasa—dwelling near the Divine.

A rajasic person does anshan—a hunger strike—not upavasa. There is an agenda. Morarji Desai’s was like that—not a true fast; calling it upavasa is a misuse of language. There is ambition behind it. How can Morarji fast in the sattvic sense? All efforts are political—life slipped away; he didn’t become prime minister. He began as a deputy collector and ended as deputy prime minister—“deputy” clinging to him. At death too—“deputy.” Not the chief. So he stakes himself on some petty issue. Whether elections in Gujarat are two months before or after—no meaning. But rajas is ambition; it must run.

Gandhi’s fasts too were not true upavasa; there is insistence behind them—an agenda—hence violence. Sometimes to bend Ambedkar—how can that be a fast? It is a threat: “I will die if you don’t comply.” To create an atmosphere of violence.

Where there is insistence—agraha—there cannot be satyagraha. The very word is wrong. Truth has no insistence. At most truth can request—not insist. Insistence says: “You must do this. If not, we are ready to die.” Some say, “If you don’t, we will kill you.” Others say, “If you don’t, we will kill ourselves.” But to kill—someone—remains the obsession.

A rajasic person can never truly fast. Gandhi understood this; he was honest. Louis Fischer wrote that Gandhi is a religious man trying all his life to be political. Gandhi replied: “Wrong. I am a political man trying all my life to be religious.” He knew his basic mode was rajas—politics; sattva—religion—was what he aspired to. What he did was not desireless; there was agenda—even for others’ good. But who are you to decide others’ good? And when you insist, saying, “For your own good we are ready to die,” you put a noose around the other’s neck. That noose is not right.

I have heard: a loafer staged a sit-in and a fast at a beautiful woman’s door, declaring, “Until you agree to marry me, I will fast to death!” Great trouble. The woman and her family were terrified. He spread his bedroll at the door; photographers and reporters arrived—“news!” Politicians and union leaders came; “We will make you chief minister of your home; hold strong!” Two days passed—commotion. The family sought a wise elder. He said, “Don’t panic. I have a way. Find an old prostitute no one looks at anymore; give her some money; have her stage a counter-fast: ‘Until you agree to marry me, I will fast to death.’ Spread her bedroll too.” The whole town was in an uproar. The loafer saw the mess and fled that night.

To break Morarji’s fast, an even deader old man could have been found to counter-fast: “If you don’t end your strike, we will die!” It was all nonsense. But the rajasic mind is eager to get something.

The tamasic mind, at most, seeks to harm others.

An old Panchatantra tale: A man’s devotion pleased a god, who said, “Ask—what you want.” The man said, “Grant me that whatever I ask, I shall get.” Clever—one boon becomes infinite. The god, seeing the trick, said, “Granted—but on one condition: whatever you receive, your neighbors will receive double.”

The man was in trouble—the tamasic mind’s dilemma. He does not care for his own good; even if he suffers, he is content so long as others do not get joy.

He asked for a palace; his was built, but the neighbors got two, bigger ones. He felt small again; a hut was better than this. He asked for wealth; neighbors got double. He said, “This god is cunning.” He asked, “Put out one of my eyes.” One of his was blinded; his neighbors lost both. He said, “Now we’re getting somewhere.” “Put a deep well at my door.” One well at his door; two at every neighbor’s. Now he was satisfied: the blind will fall into their wells. He was at peace.

The tamasic person has no taste in his own joy; his only joy is in causing others’ pain. Often you too have that voice within; you don’t care how much you get—you care how much the neighbor gets. If he gets less, you feel content even with little; if he gets more—even if you too get more—you are sour because he has more.

The tamasic finds joy in others’ suffering; the rajasic in his own pleasure; the sattvic in giving joy to others.

All your life’s activities fall under these three. Observe each of your activities closely—is it sattvic, rajasic, or tamasic? And strive to rise from tamas to rajas, from rajas to sattva.

If, with self-study, you keep examining your tendencies, your views, your notions, your moods, ladders will appear within. As you come nearer to sattva, you come nearer to trust. As you come nearer to sattva, you come nearer to godliness.

God is not far. He is only as far as your life is from sattva. Close that distance, and God showers.

Kabir has said: “Gagan ghata ghaharani, sadho—”
O seekers! The sky is thick with the monsoon of the Divine—because trust has been born, because sattva has been attained.

That is all for today.

Questions in this Discourse

First question:
Osho, you said that the Hindu genius was once supremely intelligent and succeeded in touching the ultimate heights of religion. As a result there came into being devas, dvijas, gurus and gnanis; the Upanishads, the Gita, the Dhammapada and the Jina-vani. Then what is the reason that the same people have fallen into the great abyss of decline for a thousand years, with no sign of rising?
The Divine is both outside and inside. In truth, the distinction between outside and inside is based on ignorance. The outside is his, the inside is his; one and the same sky pervades.

But for the mind, choosing is always easier. The mind is the art of choosing. So either the mind looks outside or it looks inside. If the mind were to see both, the mind would disappear. One who can see both together is neither introverted nor extroverted.

Carl Gustav Jung divided people into two types: introverts and extroverts.
The introvert slowly drops his connection with the outer; the extrovert slowly drops his connection with the inner. The lives of both become one-sided. Like a balance scale whose one pan becomes heavy—one side touches the earth and the other hangs in the sky. What is needed is a scale of life whose needle rests in the middle, with outside and inside poised in equal measure.

This has not happened so far. The East, in mastering the inner, neglected the outer. There the East declined. There India fell—and has not risen yet. The West, in taking charge of the outer, lost the inner. Both directions have their allure. Both have their gains. Both have their losses.

The introvert becomes peaceful; tension in life decreases, the hectic running about stops. But if the introvert becomes excessively introverted, he will slowly become impoverished. Peace will remain, but poverty will set in. Inside there will be no tension, but outwardly the comforts and conveniences of life will be lost.
The extrovert creates a grand arrangement outside, but becomes filled with anxiety within. Outwardly there will be much pleasure; inwardly suffering will be accumulated in the same proportion.

The Indian genius touched very high peaks, but those peaks were of inwardness; they were incomplete. The Divine was not whole in them.
The West, too, has touched great peaks. For the first time Western buildings are skyscrapers—touching the sky. Science has vast reach. Power has grown—both to destroy and to create. But within, man is utterly full of pain, guilt, sin, darkness. Outside there is much illumination; the outer night has almost been dispelled. The inner night has become a new moon night—utterly dark. There no moon is ever seen; even the stars have hidden.

Remember, the mind always finds it convenient to choose one of the two, because the mind itself is duality. Choose one, and duality continues, conflict continues. Choose both together, and duality disappears—nonduality flowers.
Neither West nor East is nondualist. Once in a while, a rare individual has been nondualist; no society, no nation has yet been able to be nondualist. Even one who says “Only Brahman is; maya is not,” is not nondualist—because he is denying maya; he is denying one half. His acceptance of the One depends on the denial of the other. And what you have denied will go on being missed. The very force of your denial shows that, at some level, you accept it; otherwise why the need to say anything?

When you wake in the morning, you don’t go around explaining to the world that what you saw at night was a dream, false. But the so-called knower of Brahman goes around explaining that the whole world is maya. If it truly is not, then please stop this nonsense. About whom are you speaking? If the world is maya, whom are you trying to convince? For the one you are addressing is the world. If the world is maya, whom are you leaving? Can anyone renounce maya? How will you renounce what doesn’t exist? Has anyone ever renounced dreams? Dreams can depart; but what is there to renounce? Renounce what? There is nothing in your hands—it’s only a dream.

Yet those you call Brahma-gnanis renounce maya, leave the world, and keep explaining that all is maya, all is dream. Whom are they explaining to? It seems they are explaining to themselves. They have dropped one half; the pain of that lack gnaws at them. That very pain becomes sermon; that very pain becomes the urge to explain. They are not explaining to you; they are trying to convince themselves—because the rejected half keeps demanding acceptance. They must keep denying it constantly.

In the West the exact opposite runs. Western thinkers say there is no God. Understand this a little: they say God does not exist; there is no soul.
If something does not exist, why be after it? Say it once and be done—be at rest. And why write voluminous tomes to prove the nonexistence of what is not?
There are people who spend their whole lives proving there is no God. And they are not small people—thinkers like Bertrand Russell devote their time to proving there is no God, as if this were of great importance. What is there to prove about what is not? What value does a nonentity have?

If you see this, the secret will dawn. The West tries to prove there is no soul, no God. The East tries to prove there is no world, the outer is all maya. The strategy of both is to save one, to gain convenience.
The West says there is no inside; there is only outside.
But how can there be an outside without an inside? Have you ever seen a thing that has only an outside and no inside? Outside is tied to inside; otherwise, how would you even call it outside?
We sit outside the house because there is also an inside to the house. If there were no inside at all, would you call this place outside the house? On what basis? In what relation? Only on the basis of the inside does something become outside. If it were truly established that there is no inside, then it would be established that there is no outside either. If it is proved there is no soul, then it is proved there is no world.

And in the East, in India, people set out to prove there is no outside; all is false.
But how can the inside exist without the outside? They are two facets of the same coin. They are two forms of the same reality. And both forms are indispensable. The inner will vanish if there is no outer.

If you proceed rigorously, an extraordinary logician arose in India—Nagarjuna. He used both lines of argument. He says: “It has been proved by the Vedantins that there is no outside; therefore the inside cannot be—because the very word ‘inside’ loses meaning. All its meaning came from the word ‘outside.’ So,” he says, “there is neither outside nor inside; nothing is.”
The same conclusion can be reached from the atheist’s side: you have proved there is no inside; it follows there is no outside either. But the conclusion—“neither outside nor inside”—feels utterly pointless. Then who are you? Where are you? To whom are you speaking? Who is speaking? Whom are you trying to convince? Are you muttering in sleep?

But one thing is certain: there is at least a man muttering in sleep! Nagarjuna is—who says nothing is. Is this Nagarjuna outside or inside? Certainly inside—and he is explaining to those outside.

Both exist. But no one has been able to accept both together—because the mind finds great difficulty in accepting two together. Then one has to establish a balance. That balance is what I call sannyas.

The sannyas of the East has sunk. It touched heights. Now and then a Buddha, a Mahavira was born. But the whole society could not become Buddha or Mahavira. For one Buddha, millions remained buddhu—fools. That is not a good bargain. Now and then someone touches the peak—that is an exception. And because one touched it, you felt: this is right; just hold onto the inner, the soul, and let the outer go. The outer went. Now you are weeping, troubled. Slavery, poverty, wretchedness, disease—India became surrounded by them.

The West too produces, once in a while, an Einstein—knower of the outer. But even that does not solve anything. The masses remain full of tension and anxiety.

Is it not possible to accept the outer and the inner together? Both are; your acceptance or rejection makes no difference—only you get into trouble.

Take breathing: it goes out and it comes in. If you insist, “I will only draw it in; I will not let it go out,” you will die. Another insists, “I will not let it go in; I will hold it out here”—he too will die.
The East died; the West died—because both embraced only half. I call courageous the one who accepts both together, who says, “I will keep both pans of the scale in balance.” The East has lost; the West has lost. And the danger is: when you lose one thing, a craving arises to go to the opposite extreme.

Like India now: there is scarcely any eagerness for religion. Enough misery has been borne in the name of religion; enough trouble with God and the quest for the soul; much was lost in meditation and samadhi—no bread rained from the sky, no wealth sprouted, the fields did not fill, the rains did not come. Nothing happened.
So now the Indian mind wants to be an engineer, a mathematician, a scientist. India’s sons go West to become great engineers, great scientists.
The West’s sons come to India seeking sannyas, searching for meditation—because the West is tired. There is much wealth, much science, but nothing of essence; all feels futile.

A strange phenomenon is happening. The West is becoming like the East; the East is becoming like the West. The East is slowly becoming communist—almost already. Asia is almost communist. Those who are not, are incomplete; their survival is unsure; their breath may stop any day. The East is becoming communist.
Communism is externalism—extreme externalism. No soul, no God; only matter and the enjoyment of matter. Let us enjoy matter collectively, together—full stop. Life begins with birth and ends with death. The few days in between—spend them in sorrow if you must, or in happiness if you can. Let us create some conveniences: adequate food, clothing, shelter—that’s all.

The East is becoming communist, and in the West the glory of meditation is spreading widely. Why? When you get sufficiently harassed by one thing, you move to the other extreme. One who overeats goes on a fast—he is fed up. One who indulges too much in sex takes a vow of celibacy—fed up.
But the art is to stop in the middle. Do not decide out of exhaustion—otherwise you will repeat the very mistake you made before. The earlier mistake was to choose half. Now, frightened of that half, the other half appears supremely important. So important that you may drop the first half and grab the second.

Your condition is like trying to walk on one leg. You could not walk—you fell, limped, got hurt—so slowly the need for the second leg became apparent. The need appears so great, you become so obsessed with it, that you discard the first leg as useless: “Only the second leg is real.” Now you try to walk with the second alone. Again you will limp; again you will fall.
Two legs are needed. Two wings are needed. Two eyes are needed. Two ears are needed. Embrace the whole duality and you become free of duality.

If you live outwardly and inwardly—drop the very division between outside and inside—then you belong neither to East nor to West. In the true sense, for the first time you become a part of the whole of humanity. For the first time you become whole. And wholeness is the supreme wisdom.

The East has missed; the West has missed. And there is still a chance—because a change is in the air. In this moment of change, if understanding dawns...

It looks difficult. It is hard to make the West understand: don’t destroy science—or you will repent; we are repenting. It doesn’t sink in.
Young people in the West have no interest at all in science. Science seems an enemy. Science means Hiroshima, Nagasaki. Science means a dying nature, dying birds, dying lakes, a dying ocean. Science appears to be a huge demon—technology—that is tightening its grip on man.

At Berkeley University last year students, as you burn a bonfire in Holi, made a bonfire of a Rolls-Royce car. They collected funds, bought a new car, placed it in the Berkeley campus and set it ablaze as a symbol—as if to say, “This is the symbol of technology. We are enemies of technology.”
Hence the hippie is born in the West. Hippie means one who is against science. He doesn’t use soap—because it is unnatural. He doesn’t apply oil—because that is all outer paint and polish. He doesn’t follow rules and codes—because too much has been followed and nothing of essence found. He doesn’t go to university—because those who have studied, what have they achieved? They have ruined things.
He has no curiosity for science. Electricity does not interest him. He wants to sleep in a hut in some forest, in the darkness of night—not even lighting a lamp.

The hippie is born in the West: revolt against the outer, search for the inner.
In the East the opposite is happening. The Eastern youth wants to become an engineer, a doctor. Every boy in the East aspires to go West, return with big degrees, learn technology, understand machines, invent new machines. Agriculture should be done scientifically. Let everything be scientific so abundance becomes available. We have lived wretchedly enough.

But I say to you—as I say to the West—if you drop science, then in a thousand or two thousand years you will reach the same destitution as India—you will die hungry. The prosperity you see in the West today has not come from nature; science has given it; it has come from the art of living outwardly.
And the poverty you see in the East has come from the very mistake you are about to commit in the West—dismissing the outer as worthless: “When it is all maya, who cares? Who will build laboratories? Who will research? What’s the point? There is no juice in a dream. Go inside, be introverted.” We have tried that and seen.

And I also want to say to the people of the East: understand the West. They, too, have expanded science fully and are tired, frightened. Life is being destroyed. Technology has become huge, man small. Technology is growing so huge that man keeps shrinking, getting lost. Machines are running everything; machines have become the masters. Everything is being asked of the machine.
Now computers have arrived. Now, if you have an important question, even a decision to make, it seems better to ask the computer than a human being—because man can err; computers do not err.
A computer will tell you whether it is appropriate to marry this woman or not. You both give the computer a brief sketch of your lives; it will calculate and tell you what your life together will be like—how much quarrel, how much harmony, how much discord.
What astrologers could never do, the computer does easily. It first understands both sets of traits, then does the full arithmetic and says, “Sixty percent success, forty percent failure. If you accept forty percent failure, go ahead. Otherwise, look for another woman.”
Everything is slowly going into the hands of machines.

The West has tried and tired; you have tried and tired. The fear now is that you will choose the mistake the West made, and the West will choose the mistake you made—and the same merry-go-round will start again.

Therefore my effort is a new one: to try to look from above all possibilities—a very hopeful vision. That vision is that man can live in both at once—because they are not two. Had they been two, you could not have lived in both.
Where does the outside begin, where does the inside begin? You eat—bringing something from outside to inside; then the food is digested, becomes blood, flesh, marrow—it becomes the inner. Not only that: the subtle energy of food rises and becomes thought, becomes dreams, gives birth to poetry.
Poetry you won’t call outer. Love you won’t call outer. When you fall in love with a woman, will you say it is coming from inside or outside? You will call it inner!
But a hungry man cannot sing God’s name, Gopala! If even devotion will not arise in the hungry, how will love arise? That too is the subtlest energy of food—becoming love, becoming devotion.

Hence the Upanishads said: food is Brahman. They must have been very deep people—to connect food and Brahman. They united outer and inner. What remains? Food is the smallest of things, and Brahman the greatest. Yet the Upanishads declared: annam brahma—food is Brahman. The smallest is the greatest. The outermost is the innermost; the innermost is the outermost.

When you fill with anger and hurl a stone at someone’s head—the stone is outer, the anger inner. The man whose head is broken is outer; the blood that flows comes from within. Anger arises within him too—that is inner.
Everything is interconnected. Outside and inside are not divided. The day this insight dawns in you, a great understanding will be born. Then you will stop trying to live by clinging to one.

It is from one-sided striving that both the householder and the old kind of sannyasin are born. Both are one-sided. Yet have you noticed? The sannyasin cannot really leave the householder; for food and clothing he remains dependent on the householder. And the householder cannot leave the sannyasin; for a sermon, for a little consolation after a quarrel with the wife, for a little peace when there is turmoil at home—he stands at the sannyasin’s door.
For the outer, the sannyasin stands at the householder’s door; for the inner, the householder stands at the sannyasin’s door. If you want peace, you seek the sannyasin. If you want meditation, you seek the sannyasin. And when the sannyasin is hungry, he goes seeking the householder. Still you did not see that both sannyasin and householder are half-and-half—they are not whole. Only a whole human being is fulfilled. Wholeness alone is fulfillment.

And I know of only one way to wholeness; there is no other. That wholeness is that you become both sannyasin and householder together. Ask your own householder for bread—why go begging at another’s door for what you can do yourself? And let peace, too, be cultivated by yourself—why ask anyone? Both are available within you; you become a beggar unnecessarily.
Divided, the sannyasin becomes a beggar; the householder becomes a beggar. Undivided, integral—you become both. The one who is both together is the one who attains nonduality.

India’s glory achieved much—but it was one-sided; therefore suffering arose. The West too has achieved much—but it is also one-sided. For me the question is neither the search for the outer nor for the inner. For me, one-sidedness itself is the disease. In which way you are one-sided does not matter much—you will remain impoverished. Master both. And there is no real obstacle.

Many come and ask me, “How to master both?” You never ask me how both breaths work! How do both legs move? How do both hands move? Why do you ask only this? Because for thousands of years you have been taught that these two are in conflict.
They are not in conflict at all. There is nothing to “practice.” They are already in tune—please just understand this much. Already in tune; otherwise you could not live even a moment. At every moment energy comes from outside to inside and goes from inside to outside. You are the meeting of outside and inside; you are a doorway where the sky becomes inner, and the old sky, worn-out, goes out. New sky is coming in; the old sky is going out.
New food you take in; the old becomes excreta and goes out. Yesterday you took it from outside; now it returns. A new child is born; an old man dies. A new child comes out; the old man goes to the grave. There is nothing but the balance of outside and inside. The old is finished; he has taken what he had to take from the outside; now all must be returned. This is happening every moment.

Breath comes in and goes out. It comes in rich with oxygen. Inside, oxygen mixes with your blood and becomes your life force; carbon dioxide remains and goes out. The outer needs it.
These trees stand here to drink your carbon dioxide. They keep drinking it—that’s why when you burn wood, coal remains. Coal means carbon. And trees release oxygen. Their way of breathing is different: they drink carbon and release oxygen. You drink oxygen and release carbon. Without trees you cannot stay alive.
Hence a great ecological movement runs in the West: do not cut trees; plant new ones. If trees are all cut, man will die.
You never even thought your life was tied to trees. They are outside—but without them you cannot survive a single moment. Trees are needed; they purify the air for you. You prepare the air for them. You are two parts of a single great mechanism.
Without you the trees would be in trouble. If all animals, birds and humans died, trees would wither—who would give them carbon dioxide? If all trees were cut, humans, animals, birds would all die—who would give them oxygen? Life is a joint play. Everything is connected. At what moment do you call it outside, at what moment inside? How do you divide?

So when someone asks me, I get into difficulty. Someone asks, “How to master both?” I ask him to drop the worry. Just see how beautifully they are already in balance. Kindly do not interfere. The scale is perfectly poised. If you are gracious and, with understanding, do not obstruct, do not meddle—everything is already in tune.

Therefore right understanding is the sannyas of life. There you will find both are connected.
You take food. Food is outside; hunger is inside. Between the two there is a great balance. A deep harmony. Hunger means the inner demand for the outer. When you have eaten, hunger departs. When food is supplied, the demand is no longer there. Now food begins to become your inside; it starts becoming a part of you.

If you wish, you can remain hungry for a month or two. And that too is possible only because of the food you ate in the past. Fasting also depends on food. If you had been hungry in the past as well, you could not fast now.
It is no surprise that Mahavira could fast for months—he was a prince. The purest, best, most potent food had been available to him all his life.
If a poor man imitates Mahavira, he will die. The fast rests on the nutritious diet available throughout life—because fasting requires that the body have stored fat. Fat means stored food—kept for times of need.

Every healthy person stores food in the body for up to three months, for emergencies: you get lost in a forest and can’t find food; trouble comes and there’s no food; you fall ill and cannot eat—then for three months the emergency arrangement is that the body itself will feed you. But even that food had come from outside.

This is delightful: people think fasting is inner and eating is outer. But without food there can be no fasting. And the reverse is also true: without fasting there can be no eating.
Hence between two meals you have to fast for eight hours. That eight-hour fast prepares for the next meal.
If you eat all day long, your hunger will die and the pleasure of food will be lost. The taste of food lies in hunger. This sounds topsy-turvy, but it is true: the taste of food is in hunger. The deeper the hunger, the deeper the relish.
This means the relish of meditation lies in thought. The more you have thought, the more the longing for meditation arises. It means the roots of celibacy lie in sexuality: the more you have exhausted sex, the more the flowers of celibacy will bloom in your life.

My words may sound like riddles—because those who have explained things to you so far, have explained by dividing. They have said sexuality is the opposite of celibacy; they have said the world is the opposite of sannyas. They have created duality and conflict and quarrel between everything. Those who create quarrel—these are the people you take to be gurus. They are the ones who have led you astray.
I want your life to become free of quarrel—to give rise to a dialogue, to let music begin. Let separate notes cease to be separate; let them merge into one harmony. Let a chorus be born within you in which all the waves of life are united, outer and inner meet, body and soul meet, God and nature meet.

Therefore Kabir could say: rare are those yogis who have tasted the great essence of the earth. Only those are the rare yogis. Those who have tasted only the nectar of God are not very rare—they are incomplete, half. Complete are those who have tasted the earth’s great essence too. They have drunk God, yes—and they have drunk the earth as well. They have known the soul, and they have known matter too. They turned inward—but not against the outer; turning inward with the support of the outer. They went within, traveling in the boat of the without. Kabir called them the rare yogis.
Only through such rare yogis will the world attain the peace that the East knows—and the happiness that the West knows. And where the pans of happiness and peace balance, there arises in life samyam—balance, temperance.
The East is intemperate, and the West is intemperate—therefore both are unhappy. Intemperance is misery. Temperance—balance—is supreme bliss.
Second question:
Osho, you have said that bowing is the beginning of a great event. Does standing firm, staying stiff, not lead to a great experience?
It does. It leads to bowing. Stay stiff, stand erect. You will bow—when you get tired of your stiffness, when you are worn out by it. How long can you keep yourself rigidly upright? Won’t you need rest? The pain, the torment, the misery of rigidity ultimately leads you toward bowing, toward humility.

The last step of the ego is egolessness. How long will you remain egoistic? When the ego becomes a stone weighing on your head, when it won’t let the heart in your chest beat freely, when it kills love, leaves no means for meditation, gives not even a clue of peace, when the wildfire of restlessness rages and within you there are only flames—you will burn, be scorched, and no rain will ever come—then what will you do? In a single moment, dropping this ego, you will bow.

That is why lukewarm egotists are dangerous. A little bit egoistic, a little bit humble—these people are dangerous. They never attain religion. They are like lukewarm water; it never becomes steam. They never reach a hundred degrees—so how will steam be born? They cannot become cool either, because the ego keeps heating them. Nor can they become that hot, because false decency, politeness, conduct, social skill keep them cool. Neither hot nor truly cool—they rot in between.

If you keep pursuing the ego, then sooner or later egolessness will happen. In my view every child should be given the education of ego, so that he does not remain lukewarm. He should be taught ego strongly and deeply, so that if not today then tomorrow the sting of ego becomes so unbearable that from his own experience he drops it and moves toward egolessness.

Do not teach a child to be humble. Humility cannot be taught; it comes from one’s own experience. Teach ego. Sharpen the ego in the child so much, make it so refined, that it becomes like the edge of a sword—beginning to cut himself. Then you will find that one day, out of his own experience, the child has become mature.

This comes to me every day in my experience. Western psychology emphasizes the ego; it says a healthy person needs a consolidated ego. Eastern religion emphasizes that for ultimate health, egolessness is needed. They seem opposed; they are not. And from my experience, something very unique emerges.

People come to me from the East and from the West. When an Indian comes, he touches my feet just like that. There is no humility in it; he does it out of habit. Nothing shows on his face. He touches the feet because he has always done so; it is a formal rule, a duty. There is no feeling in the touch, no reverence, no egolessness.

A Westerner comes and finds it very difficult to touch the feet. Touching feet seems very hard to him. It is not part of his education. He struggles. He contemplates, thinks, reflects, experiments—and then, someday, he comes to touch the feet. But then the act of touching has meaning.

The man of the East touches the feet with ease, but that ease has no depth; it is shallow. For the Westerner it is very difficult to touch the feet, but when he does, there is meaning in it. Why is this so?

In the West humility is not taught; a healthy ego is taught. And my own understanding is that both are right. On the first step, a healthy ego should be taught, so that on the second step, the teaching of humility becomes possible. The West undertakes the beginning of the journey, and in the East is the journey’s end.

And this is true in all matters. First, science should be taught, because it is the beginning of the journey. Then religion, because it is the journey’s end. First, one should be trained in thinking; then meditation—because meditation is thought-free. It is the final thing.

What is happening in the West is what should happen in the initial phase of each person’s life. And what is the aspiration of the East is what should happen in each person’s final phase. If the first thirty-five years of life are like the West, and the last thirty-five years are like the East, then the right synthesis will bear fruit within you.
Third question:
Osho, why are the play-acts—the lila—of true masters so different?
Because every person is different. And each person is unique, incomparable. You too are incomparable—then what to say of the true masters!

You are not like anyone else; there is no one exactly like you. Your thumbprint is different, and nowhere in the world is there another thumbprint like it—not among the living, nor has there ever been in the past, nor will there be in the future. If even a thumb is so different, what can be said of the soul! The signature of your soul is utterly its own—no one has ever signed like that and no one ever will.

This is true even of ordinary people who live on the plain ground, in crowds, by imitation. Even they are different. Have you ever seen two identical people? Even twin brothers are not truly alike; if you observe, you’ll find the differences.

Physiologists say the difference doesn’t arise later; even in the mother’s womb the two are not the same. One child kicks and thrashes, another remains utterly quiet; one creates such a rumpus that he is a revolutionary already, preparing for revolt from birth. Another is so still the mother sometimes wonders whether the child is alive or dead—no movement at all. He is a sadhu already.

Doctors who deliver babies report that children are different right from birth. One expresses a great calm as soon as he is born. Another lets loose a terrible wail. One opens his eyes at once and studies the faces around him. Another lies with eyes closed, a certain melancholy—no curiosity. One is a laid-back simpleton from the outset. Another is alert on all sides, eager to know the world—the journey has begun.

Even in the very moment of birth two children are not the same, nor in the womb.

And that’s among the crowd, where imitation is the rule—dress as others dress, cut your hair as others do; otherwise you’ll be thought odd and frowned upon, as though you were criticizing others’ clothes or hair. People want people to be like one another. Yet even there, the differences are so many that no two are alike.

But a true master—a sadguru—means one who no longer lives on the plain; he has become like a peak, like Everest. Two mountain peaks that rise into the sky become utterly distinct. If there is so much difference on the ground, on the summits the differences multiply.

That is why two masters are never alike. And this has created a great difficulty. The difficulty is, once a person falls in love with one master, he simply cannot understand how some other master can be a master at all—because he has acquired a measuring rod.

One who has loved Mahavira, how can he love Muhammad? He has a criterion: Is he standing naked? Has he renounced clothing? And Muhammad stands clothed—trouble begins.

And Muhammad is just fine—but look at Rama, standing with a bow in hand. And what to say of Krishna! He wears a peacock-feather crown. He not only hasn’t renounced clothes, he has adorned himself—crown and all. He plays the flute, women dance around him.

So one who has made Mahavira his touchstone can never, in any condition, accept Krishna as a knower.

And one who has made Krishna his standard—how will he tolerate Mahavira? He will taste such nectar in Krishna that Mahavira will look like a barren desert. How the peacock-feather crown suits Krishna! What melodies on the flute! What dance! What festivity! And here stands Mahavira naked—he looks like a ghost. What is he doing, standing under a tree unclothed? Sing something! Dance! Play the flute; don a peacock crown! But Mahavira is Mahavira.

A follower of Mahavira looks at Krishna and thinks: this is theatrical—dramatic—a performer in some folk play. Why this peacock crown? What interest would a knower have in it! And why play the flute? Flutes are for the ignorant. Throw it away! What is this revelry? Be dispassionate. Why are women dancing? How long will this duality go on? Has desire not died yet?

No—the devotee of one becomes blind toward the other. And the difficulty is that no two true masters are alike.

You need very open eyes to recognize that these are just coverings. Each master has his own. Each master’s lila is different—and must be—because he lives from his own nature. No Krishna imitates a Mahavira, nor any Mahavira a Krishna. The supremely awakened imitate no one; they live in their pure suchness. Whatever happens, happens.

Krishna is not “playing” the flute; the flute is playing. Mahavira did not “become” naked through practice. Nakedness ripened; it happened. It was not a discipline, not a contrivance. No effort was made—no closing the eyes under a tree after removing clothes to practice. It happened.

Mahavira left home with a single garment. On the road a beggar met him and said, “Give me something too.” He had already given away all his wealth, all his possessions; nothing remained but that one cloth. How to refuse? He tore it in half and gave one part. Now only half remained.

As he went through a forest, that half got caught in a thorny bush. It was so entangled that to pull it out he would have had to harm the bush. Mahavira thought, “Do I need this so much that I should injure this shrub—break its thorns, tear its leaves?” Half the cloth the beggar has taken; if this bush desires the other half—let it have it. So simply he became naked. It was no practice; nakedness happened.

Krishna’s raga—his music—conceals a very deep inner dispassion. Within Mahavira’s outer dispassion a deep flute of bliss is playing. Mahavira’s dispassion is on the surface; inside, melody. Krishna’s melody sounds on the flute; in his heart there is dispassion. How can dispassion be shown by clothes or the lack of them?

One with vision sees the same within both. Vision is needed—eyes. But followers lack eyes—if they had vision, they wouldn’t be followers. They cling to one like a rock, and thereby they are deprived.

Your condition is like this: the sky holds thousands upon thousands of stars, and you clutch one star. “We will not look at another star; see, our star has a red glow—where do the others have it? They are no stars at all! Look at this virtue of ours. Until this virtue is in all, we cannot accept any as stars.” Thus you impoverish yourself with your own hands. The stars are not harmed; they remain; the night sky is full. But you become needlessly poor.

You could have enjoyed the whole sky. You could have been heirs to the bliss of the total consciousness. You could have inherited Mahavira, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Christ, Zarathustra, Lao Tzu—everyone. You could have been sons of all—there was no obstacle. The whole open sky would have shaded you, rested you, illumined you. But you chose poverty with your own hands. You seize one and make him the touchstone—and so you remain poor. While the sky was ready to pour itself entirely into you.

I say this from knowing. The more closely I have looked, the more I have found that however different the forms, within them dwells the same formless. However different the approaches, within flows the same consciousness. However different the songs, however different the instruments, one music is being played.

But you look at the outer paraphernalia. Someone plays the veena, someone the sitar, someone strums an ektara. You don’t see that the music arising has one quality. It arises from an ektara, from a veena, from a sarangi.

One Buddha is a sarangi, one Mahavira an ektara, Krishna something else. Many are the instruments; the music is one. Many are the forms; the formless is one. Many are the lilas; the one who plays is one.