Sadhana Sutra #15

Date: 1973-04-13
Place: Mount Abu

Sutra (Original)

आंतरिक इंद्रियों को उपयोग में लाने की शक्ति प्राप्त करके,
बाह्य इंद्रियों की वासनाओं को जीतकर,
जीवात्मा की इच्छाओं पर विजय पाकर और ज्ञान प्राप्त करके,
हे शिष्य,
वास्तव में मार्ग में प्रविष्ट होने के लिए तैयार हो जा।
मार्ग मिल गया है,
उस पर चलने के लिए अपने को तैयार कर।
10. पूछो पृथ्वी से, वायु से, जल से--
उन रहस्यों को, जो वे तुम्हारे लिए छिपाए हुए हैं।
तुम अपनी आंतरिक इंद्रियों के विकास के कारण यह कार्य कर सकोगे।
11. पूछो पृथ्वी के पवित्र पुरुषों से,
उन रहस्यों को, जो वे तुम्हारे लिए संजोए हुए हैं।
बाह्य इंद्रियों की वासनाओं को जीत लेने से तुम्हें यह रहस्य जान लेने का अधिकार प्राप्त हो जाएगा।
सूत्र के पहले कुछ मित्रों ने थोड़े से प्रश्न पूछे हैं...सभी प्रश्न साधना के समय नग्न होने से संबंधित हैं।
Transliteration:
āṃtarika iṃdriyoṃ ko upayoga meṃ lāne kī śakti prāpta karake,
bāhya iṃdriyoṃ kī vāsanāoṃ ko jītakara,
jīvātmā kī icchāoṃ para vijaya pākara aura jñāna prāpta karake,
he śiṣya,
vāstava meṃ mārga meṃ praviṣṭa hone ke lie taiyāra ho jā|
mārga mila gayā hai,
usa para calane ke lie apane ko taiyāra kara|
10. pūcho pṛthvī se, vāyu se, jala se--
una rahasyoṃ ko, jo ve tumhāre lie chipāe hue haiṃ|
tuma apanī āṃtarika iṃdriyoṃ ke vikāsa ke kāraṇa yaha kārya kara sakoge|
11. pūcho pṛthvī ke pavitra puruṣoṃ se,
una rahasyoṃ ko, jo ve tumhāre lie saṃjoe hue haiṃ|
bāhya iṃdriyoṃ kī vāsanāoṃ ko jīta lene se tumheṃ yaha rahasya jāna lene kā adhikāra prāpta ho jāegā|
sūtra ke pahale kucha mitroṃ ne thor̤e se praśna pūche haiṃ...sabhī praśna sādhanā ke samaya nagna hone se saṃbaṃdhita haiṃ|

Translation (Meaning)

Having gained the power to employ the inner senses,
having conquered the cravings of the outer senses,
having overcome the desires of the individual soul and attained knowledge,
O disciple,
be truly ready to enter the Path.
The Path is found,
prepare yourself to walk upon it.
10. Ask of Earth, of Air, of Water--
the secrets they have hidden for you.
You will be able to do this through the development of your inner senses.
11. Ask of the holy men of Earth,
the secrets they have treasured for you.
By conquering the cravings of the outer senses you will obtain the right to know this mystery.
Before the Sutra, a few friends have asked a few questions... all the questions pertain to being naked during practice.

Osho's Commentary

The tenth sutra: “Ask of the earth, of the air, of the water—the secrets they hold for you. Through the development of your inner senses you shall be able to do this.”

The tenth sutra is well worth pondering. After a long journey—having understood and lived the earlier sutras—one may experiment with the tenth; not before. Earlier it will seem strange, incomprehensible, perhaps poetic, symbolic. But it is not poetry or symbol; it is a scientific fact—one that becomes apparent only after all the inner experiments are complete.

“Ask of the earth, of the air, of the water—the secrets they hold for you.”

This is among the basic foundations of the esoteric science of spirituality. Let us understand it.

Whatever supreme truths are proclaimed in this world are preserved in scriptures—and also in existence itself. In scriptures there can be error, because man compiles them. In existence there can be no error, because no one compiles it; it compiles itself.

Buddha spoke. His first utterance manifested under the Bodhi tree. Before even that, the supreme state of knowing dawned to Buddha under that tree. The Buddhists have tried to preserve that very Bodhi tree; it is alive even now. A branch of it was sent by Ashoka with his daughter Sanghamitra and his son Mahendra to Lanka. The monks, who could peer into the future, felt that Buddhism would not survive in India. Buddha too had declared that his dharma would not last more than five hundred years in India. The reason? The entry of women into the order.

For a long time Buddha insisted that women not be given sannyas. For years he postponed it; the sangha should be only for men. It seemed somewhat excessive. It was. Innumerable women were ready to become nuns; their petitions grew. At last, under their pressure and out of compassion for them, Buddha relented and gave initiation to women. The very day he did so, he said: if I had not admitted women, my dharma could have lasted thousands of years; now it will last only five hundred.

I too used to think Buddha overdid it, that it was not right to keep women out for so long. But as my contact with women increases, I begin to feel perhaps he was right.

Women’s emotional state, their way of working, is very different from men’s. As a result, many needless disturbances arise, which could be avoided. They weave such webs—of feeling, of imagination—and hold them so true that to pull them out of those imaginings is difficult. They entangle others in their webs. Women’s and men’s modes of thought are different, even opposite.

A man moves by intellect, by thought, by logic; thus there is order and plan in his work. Women move by feeling, by imagination, by dream; thus their work has no plan or order. And ten people can agree upon logic, but no one can agree upon imagination—imagination is private, logic can be shared. If I offer a logical argument, we can decide which side to accept. But if it is all feeling, there is no method of decision. Feeling is private.

Therefore women can never be easily organized. Even bringing four together is difficult. To build an army of women is impossible—every woman will become a commander; none can be a soldier. Every woman will issue orders; none will obey. Every woman will be so firm in her view that she cannot yield; and there is no way to make her yield, because logic is not in play. With logic there is the facility of thinking and concluding; with feeling there is none. Twenty or thirty women gathered can cause more upheaval than fifty thousand men. The working process is different; the manner is different.

So sometimes I too think Buddha was right. Perhaps pressing him to admit women was not appropriate. Earlier I thought this was lack of compassion—why stop women? Now I think perhaps greater compassion would have been to keep them out, so the dharma might have lasted thousands of years. Which is the greater compassion—admitting women and having it vanish in five hundred years, or keeping them out? It is hard to say.

Ashoka sent his son and daughter with a branch of the Bodhi tree to Lanka to safeguard it. Because the day Buddhism ended in India, the Bodhi tree would be burned, cut, destroyed—would dry up. That Bodhi tree stayed alive in Lanka. Only a few years ago, a branch from it was brought back and the Bodhi tree was re-established at Bodh Gaya.

The attachment to this tree is not merely sentimental. The supreme illumination that happened in Buddha’s life is imprinted in it. This tree drank that light; the explosion of Buddha’s being pervaded every fiber of this tree.

What man has compiled about Buddha contains errors—inevitably. Buddha speaks and twenty-five listeners draw twenty-five meanings. After Buddha’s death, when the sangha gathered to compile his words, there was great difficulty; no agreement. Even those always with him differed. One said, “He never said this.” Another, “He said this always.” One, “It means this.” Another, “It can never mean that.” It was arduous. Somehow, sifting through, what matched across testimonies was compiled.

If Buddha came today, he would deny it, because it is not original. First fifty people compiled it; then whatever did not match was removed; then only what everyone could agree on was kept. If Buddha appeared, he would say, “I never said this.”

Consider: I speak here; then your opinions are collected about what I said. From them a summary is extracted in which no one is offended, in which none disagrees. You can be quite sure: whatever that is, it will not be what I said. So many people together will destroy it.

But this Bodhi tree has no mind; it is silent and mute. What happened beneath it—Buddhahood—entered it. Not only into the tree, but into the nearby Niranjana river, into the earth whose particles were witness to such blazing light, into the sky that stood as witness—it entered all.

The sutra says: “Having acquired the power to use the inner senses, having conquered the desires of the outer senses, having overcome the cravings of the soul and attained knowledge, O disciple, prepare to enter the path. The path is found; prepare to walk upon it.”

“Ask of the earth, of the air, of the water—the secrets they hold for you.”

We need scriptures only because we do not know the art of asking existence. Otherwise the Bodhi tree will tell you what happened. The Niranjana will tell you. The earth will tell you what it witnessed when Buddha walked, when Mahavira sat, when Krishna danced.

Now, slowly, scientific bases for this are emerging, so understanding becomes easier. Scientists say that words spoken are never lost. They cannot be lost; they keep reverberating in the waves of the air. Sooner or later, they say, an instrument may be invented that can capture voices of the past. We will be able to determine whether Krishna truly spoke the Gita on the battlefield or not, because sound does not perish; it reverberates—subtle, subtler, but still there. It can be captured.

Consider: a New York radio station broadcasts; you hear it here. But it takes time to travel. If the announcement was made two minutes earlier in New York, you hear it two minutes later. What does this mean? It means what happened two minutes ago can be heard two minutes later—it becomes past. If two minutes later, why not two days later? In principle it is clear: the past can be caught. Previously, without radio, even two minutes later we could not catch it; now we can. Laboratories are working on this. They say it is not impossible that we could capture voices from two thousand, even two hundred thousand years ago. There are complexities, but the sound exists.

This sutra speaks of that. When science will catch it, who knows. But the one who conquers outer and inner senses, who settles in the void, who attains meditation—that person, without any instrument, need only focus silently, take his attention into the past and center it where Krishna spoke the Gita; then inwardly the Gita can be heard again.

Because in the inner realm there is no distance of time; there is no time there. There is no distance of space; there is no space there. That inner center is eternal. From there you can go to the past, and to the future. Then the secrets hidden in the air are revealed to you.

The sutra says: ask of the air, ask of the earth, ask of the water—these three hold many secrets.

Hindus built their temples on riverbanks for specific reasons. Their places of practice were on rivers—for specific reasons. All Hindu tirthas are on rivers—for specific reasons. The deepest processes of Hindu sadhana were preserved in water; hence the tirthas are so valuable.

People, in ignorance, keep traveling to Ganga, Yamuna—go to the confluence, gather fairs—without knowing that originally profound secrets lay behind this. Hindus hid their experiential secrets in the Ganga. One who can ask the Ganga can receive answers. So sitting by the Ganga is not merely tradition—it is meaningful.

The Jains built their temples and tirthas on mountains—deliberately. Because Hindus had deeply infused their processes along rivers; there was risk of the two mixing, getting entangled. So the Jains chose mountains for their tirthas and infused their vibrations into stone.

On a small mountain, Parasnath Hill, twenty-two of the twenty-four Jain tirthankaras left their bodies. This is no accident. In thousands of years, twenty-two out of twenty-four on the same mountain! The two who did not were due to incidental mishaps. Otherwise the plan was for all twenty-four to depart there. Because at the time of leaving the body, the light that arises from a tirthankara is imprinted forever on the rocks. One who knows the secret can still go to Parasnath Hill and ask the mountain: what happened here when Parshvanath left his body—what did you experience?

The procedures differ. To imprint in a river requires one method, because the river is in constant flow. To imprint in a mountain requires another, because the mountain is still. The whole process and technology differ.

All religions did not rely only on scripture—paper is unreliable. They found deeper ways. In Egypt, the religious built pyramids. In the design, in every stone, in the entire plan they hid everything they had known. Those who study the pyramids are amazed at the depth of mystery. It is said Egypt poured all it knew into the pyramids. But the keys have been lost. When a key is found here or there, some secrets are understood. Nowhere did the old religions rely on books alone. But pyramids are man-made; however strong, they can perish. Therefore in India we did not try to hide in man-made things; we placed it in nature’s own elements.

“Ask of the earth, of the air, of the water—the secrets they hold for you.”

In a particular state of meditation, contact is established; answers begin to come. But before that, your heart must be so quiet that you do not project your own answers into it; otherwise everything will be distorted. You must be so silent that there remains no way for you to add anything—only then will you know what is being said. Otherwise you will mix in your own.

People come to me and say, “You told me this in a dream.” I tell them: first learn to be quiet. Otherwise the dream is yours, the ‘I’ in your dream is also yours; it is not me. You create the dream and you create me in it, and then you make me say what you want to hear—because you dare not trust yourself, so you make me your mouthpiece.

There is no end to the ways a person can deceive himself. People come and say, “You ordered it; therefore we did this!” When did you take orders from me? “You said it in a dream.” And what they did is precisely what they wanted to do. Many times I am amazed: I am directly telling them, “Do not do this,” and they do not even hear it. They say, “You ordered it in a dream, so we did it.” I am plainly instructing them; they do not hear it, much less do it. This is what I call deception—though they do not realize it. I tell them openly, “Do this,” and they shake their heads, “That we cannot do.” But what I supposedly said in a dream, that they obey! Clearly, they only do what they want.

Until your mind has become completely quiet, you will hear only what you wish to hear. You will do only what you wish to do. The world’s secrets cannot open to you, because you are so jammed with your own feelings, desires, cravings that even if existence wants to reveal something, it cannot. But if your meditation deepens and such a moment comes when you can experience there is no thought, then experiment a little.

Experiment a little. In such a meditative state, spend some days under a tree. Any tree can do. But if it is a special tree, the result will be quicker and clearer—like the Bodhi tree at Bodh Gaya. If you sit beneath it in meditation for seven days—if your meditation has ripened—then go there and sit seven nights under the tree, meditating. And when you feel utterly empty, say to the tree only this: “If you have anything to say to me, say it.” Then sit silently and wait. You will be astonished—the tree will say something to you, and something that can transform your whole life.

The tree has stored something, preserved something, and it is preserved only for those who have the capacity to ask. If they ask, they will receive the answer. But there is no need to go that far. This sky holds all the Buddhas within itself. Upon this earth, all the Mahaviras and all the Jesuses and all the Krishnas have walked and risen. You can ask the earth itself.

In full meditation, lie naked upon the earth as a small child lies upon his mother’s breast. Feel that the whole earth is your mother—you hold her breast in your hand and lie upon her chest. Become utterly quiet and empty. When you feel that there is no difference between the soil of your body and her soil, that both have become one, and the void reigns within you, then ask. If the earth holds any message for you, it will be given. You will find that never before have you received such a powerful message. After receiving it you will not remain who you were. Then you can go deeper into this process. In this way, much that is otherwise lost can be obtained.

This book by Mabel Collins too was recovered in this way. Its original Sanskrit manuscript was lost thousands of years ago. There is no original now. Mabel Collins obtained these sutras through such secret methods; therefore she is not their author. She did not write this book; she read it through certain hidden doors of life. She compiled what she heard. She herself notes that these sutras belong to some lost Sanskrit text. “I am not the author; I did not compose them; I heard them,” and she has preserved them as they are.

Many books are lost. Whatever man makes is lost. But there are other means by which the lost can be recovered. Many books have been interpolated; much has been added by later hands. Until their original can be recovered from the earth and sky, we cannot trust them, for much that is added is not original. But we do not know the keys that unlock the locks of the air. One master-key is clear—by it all locks open. It is your state of emptiness. Then you can speak with Mahaviras, meet Buddhas face to face; Krishna’s flute can be heard again. But your becoming a void is essential.

“You shall be able to do this through the development of your inner senses.”

The eleventh sutra: “Ask the holy ones of the earth the secrets they hold for you. By conquering the desires of the outer senses you shall obtain the right to know these secrets.”

“Ask the holy ones of the earth.”

This too needs a little understanding.

Those who carry bodies are not the only ones in this world; there are bodiless beings—disembodied souls. Whenever a person dies, if he is ordinary—full of ordinary desires and virtues and faults—he is reborn instantly, because ordinary wombs are always available; there is no shortage. He need not stand in any queue.

But if someone is extraordinarily evil, there is a wait, because to find an equivalently disturbed womb is difficult. When a Hitler dies, he has to wait—sometimes for hundreds of years—until a womb as chaotic as his is found. Likewise, if someone is extraordinarily good, very saintly, there is a long wait; a suitably noble womb is hard to find. The extremely good and extremely bad are difficult; the ordinary is readily available. Those bad souls who remain without bodies we call ghosts; those good souls who remain without bodies we call devas. The reference here is to the devas.

“Ask the holy ones of the earth the secrets they hold for you.”

If you can be quiet, you will find yourself entering another realm, where many disembodied souls are eager to help you; they can open many doors that you might not reach through your personal effort in many lifetimes. These souls have not attained liberation, because those who are liberated are extremely difficult to contact. But those disembodied souls waiting for an auspicious birth are easy to contact. It is only a matter of tuning—like turning the knob of a radio until the needle rests exactly at the station. If it is even slightly off, there is only noise. If it stops at the right point, reception begins. Likewise, if you master the art of stopping attention at the right spot, you can connect anywhere. Many souls are eager to help and lighten your work. Many souls are eager to harm and ruin what you have built.

Those of wicked nature delight in troubling others; the good delight in delighting others. Around you are many souls that can benefit you—and many that can harm you. If you are very fearful, anxious, tumultuous within, you are more likely to connect with bad souls, because then you are an open door to them. Often, when you are frightened, ghosts appear to you—not because fear creates them, but because fear connects you to them; fear opens you to them.

When you are fearless, quiet, joyful, then your door to bad souls is closed. In those moments you can connect with good souls. That is why I keep saying in meditation: only in joy, in supreme joy, can you unite with the divine; there is no other way. It is a tuning. When you are filled with joy, you connect with the source of joy in existence. When you are filled with sorrow, you connect with the spread of sorrow in existence.

A sorrowful man, we say, goes to hell—he need not go anywhere; he opens to hell, and hell enters him. A happy man opens to heaven, and heaven enters him. One who is blissful opens to the supreme being, and the supreme enters him. To which side are you open? In that direction your life will begin to expand.

This sutra says: “Ask the holy ones of the earth the secrets they hold for you. By conquering the desires of the outer senses you shall obtain the right to know these secrets.”

Questions in this Discourse

A friend has asked, Osho, why is there a ban on nudity? Is there no use to it?
Nudity has great utility. Only, nudity is not just nudity. Along with your clothes are tied your culture, your education, your conditionings. The moment you put them aside, much else that has been layered on you like garments can also be put aside. The fear of being naked is precisely this: that I might be seen exactly as I am.

Outer nudity is only the first step. In truth, one has to be naked within, so that I am revealed just as I am. No veil, no face, no mask, no false covering remains on me. But since man lives outwardly, outer nudity also supports inner nudity. There is fear in being naked, because clothes have given you a form your body itself does not have. Clothes have covered you, hidden you. Because of clothes you are spared the other’s eye.

To stand naked means: I am as I am—good or bad, beautiful or unbeautiful—thus I appear, and I do not hide myself.

It is a symbol. And in the morning meditation, in the second stage, when I say to you: whatever is within you, express it—then naturally the idea also arises to throw off the clothes. And the one who removes the clothes finds it far easier in the second stage to express his or her madness. For the one who has agreed to be naked, concern for others is gone. Now he can scream, shout, dance. It is as if concern for others slipped off with the clothes. The one who fears, “What will people say?” will not be able even to take off clothes. It is helpful to put the clothes aside and then enter the morning meditation. But some seekers may not muster that courage at first; even if the thought comes during the second stage to remove the clothes, then too it is useful to put them aside.

This usefulness would not be, if clothes were only clothes. Much is bound up with them. When you were born like a child, you were naked. Whenever you again stand naked, you return to your childhood. Clothes were imposed upon you. From the day clothes were imposed, you became body-conscious. From that day the feelings arose that there is something sinful in the body, something to hide, something to cover, something bad. If a small child goes out naked, his parents scold him. Thus a condemnatory attitude toward the body arises along with clothes.

There is something bad in the body—especially the genitals—bad, shameful. And with this your body was split into two parts: the lower body somewhat bad, the upper body somewhat good. This division within the body has split your life-energy into two fragments. Generally people regard only the head as their own; they do not even consider the rest of the body as theirs. At most they own the upper part and treat the lower part as a mere necessity. In this way, the life-energy within you has become fragmented. In a child the life-energy is unbroken; it moves in a circle. In you, that circle is broken. But the moment you dare to remove your clothes, from that very moment, since the day you were forcibly clothed, all the condemnations toward the body that have settled in your mind begin to drop.

You may not realize it, but we live in so many layers of clothing that gradually we ourselves forget what our body is without them. In clothes we are like in a prison; once they are removed, we are free—free like the animals and the birds. That freedom can be used.

So the usefulness is great. But there was a compulsion in this camp. The constraint was such that either the camp could be held, in which case nudity would not be possible; or if we allowed nudity, the camp could not be held. Between the two, it seemed wiser to choose the lesser evil. Only two days earlier the Rajasthan government informed us that they would not be able to provide any of their grounds, institutions, or buildings. With two days’ notice, no arrangement was possible. Seekers had come from all over the world. Those from India were on their way; those from outside India had already arrived. There was no other way. And the government does have the right to refuse the use of its land and to say that nudity cannot be permitted there. There is no injustice in that either; the land is theirs; we do not have our own land. Here, in this Palace Hotel where arrangements were made, the hotel management too had its constraints. They could not gather the courage to allow nudity, because for them it is a matter of business.

Therefore we had to impose a restriction on morning nudity. But do not imagine that we have changed any method of the practice. And do not imagine that we have bowed before the government. None of this is so. There is no question of bowing, and no question of changing the arrangement. In fact, the government has done us a favor, and it will prove beneficial: we will make our own arrangements soon, where no one can impose any restrictions.

The government has its compulsions; it is under pressures—of society, of convention, of the collective. But if the arrangement is private, no pressure can be applied. It will be our own arrangement. Within it, those who wish to be naked can be naked. It will not be a public place. This hotel is a public place, where others can also come and go. Where others also have access, their sensibilities must be considered.

Moreover, any processes that transform life generally run counter to the herd. Nudity is not the only issue; it is merely a symbol. Whatever we are doing will go against the collective’s notions—because the collective lives blindly, unthinkingly. The collective moves in the ruts of tradition, considering right whatever tradition says is right, even if it must suffer for it. It never suspects that its very beliefs are the cause of its misery. Anyone eager for a revolution in life has to rise beyond the collective’s assumptions.

That is the meaning of sannyas. Sannyas does not mean leaving society; society cannot be left. Sannyas means rising beyond society’s assumptions. What society calls right is to be accepted only if it proves right by experience; if not, then seek what is different.

Yet a wise person must also remember that among those with whom we live, their beliefs and assumptions—we can abandon them for ourselves, but it is not appropriate to break theirs. We can drop them for ourselves; we can free ourselves from assumptions—that is our personal freedom. But I will not tell you to go stand naked on the street, because the street is not yours. If people living along the street would be hurt by something, it is not proper to do it. At the same time, I would tell those people that they have no right to interfere if someone stands naked in solitude within his or her own arrangements. Individual freedom must be valued.

But individual freedom never means license. Even if I have said that you can be naked in the morning meditation, it does not grant you the freedom to be naked anywhere and everywhere. If you wish to do that anywhere, it means you have no interest in meditation; you are infatuated with nudity. That is an illness—just the reverse kind. Some are obsessed with clothing; you become obsessed with nudity. There is no difference—the foolishness has merely flipped; you are standing on your head. Someone madly declares, “Never remove clothes, whatever happens!”

I read of a Christian nun who bathed with her clothes on even in her bathroom. Her companions said, “You are mad. No one is in the bathroom except you. What is the point of bathing clothed? It spoils the very joy of bathing!” The nun said, “Ever since I read in the Bible that God sees you everywhere, I have not been able to be naked even in the bathroom.”

This is madness. And even if God sees everywhere, will he not be able to see through clothes? Will clothes hinder him? When the wall does not hinder him, will cloth hinder him? And is God some Peeping Tom peering into everyone’s bathroom? Then your God too is sick.

When a person is sick, he creates a sick God. Your ailments dominate your deities, because you fashion your concept of God yourself. If horses imagined God, they would not give him a human face; they would make him horse-like. If Black people create God, they depict him Black—their God’s lips are Black people’s lips, his hair like Black people’s hair. If the Chinese create God, they protrude his cheekbones and give him a flat nose.

We make our God in our own image; thus our diseases dominate our God as well. People like to peep into one another’s bathrooms—that is man’s sickness. They then make such a God who peeps everywhere!

If a fascination for being naked arises, that too is a disease. Understand the difference: your being naked is one thing; your eagerness to display yourself naked to others is another. There is a distinction between the two. Your being naked can be natural. But if you are eager to be seen, in psychology that is called exhibitionism. The exhibitionist is a patient.

Understand this a little. Psychology points to two kinds of illness in this regard. One is voyeurism—taking pleasure in seeing others naked. The other is exhibitionism—taking pleasure in our being naked and being seen by others. Both are illnesses. They are not natural. Men are often voyeurs; their illness is to peep at women. Women are often exhibitionists; their illness is to be peeped at. Hence women do all they can—wear such clothes, such jewelry, make such arrangements that someone will look; and men make all arrangements for how to look. But both are diseases.

And you will be surprised to know that both illnesses arose because of clothing. If you go to a tribal society where men and women are naked, neither voyeurs nor exhibitionists are found. No one there is eager to see, because what is left to see? Everyone is naked, so what is there to be curious about? Curiosity arises when something is hidden. When things are in the open, what is there to see? Thus in tribal societies where men and women are naked, neither is anyone eager to see nor to be seen. The sickness of showing and seeing arose with clothing. How far the disease can go is hard to fathom.

How many pictures, stories, films, magazines are produced and sold simply because they carry nude images. And governments all over the world try to block it; still, it does not stop. Underground presses flourish; an enormous circulation continues beneath the surface; millions of currency worth of material sells. No worldly power can stop it. In fact, the more you suppress, the more it sells on the black market.

But how amazing that people are so eager to see someone nude!

You will be astonished to know: you are eager to see precisely those parts that are covered. You are not curious about what is already exposed. If you think those who invented clothing were great opponents of sexuality and that is why they invented it, you are mistaken. Those who invented clothing devised a massive method to make people lustful. By hiding certain parts, an unhealthy fascination for them has arisen. There is no reason for this fascination; the body is a natural thing. But by hiding it and by prohibiting it we have generated great excitement; the whole world is besotted with it.

So remember both points. Neither is taking pleasure in seeing another naked a sign of an intelligent person, nor is taking pleasure that no one sees you naked a sign of intelligence. Both are diseases—and both should be put aside along with your clothes. Only then does spirituality enter your nudity. Only then does your nudity cease to be obscene.

But this pertains to you. Society will not necessarily agree, because society is filled with these very sicknesses. Newspapers will not agree; the journalists are full of the same maladies; they have the same difficulties and hindrances. Governments will not agree; those who sit in government posts—if they had even a glimpse of spirituality, they would not be sitting there; they would be elsewhere. So they will not agree; nor is there any need to make them agree. There is no purpose in that. There is no need even to pay attention to what they do. But one thing is certain: they can create obstacles. And they can do so only when you too cling to nudity as a disease. Otherwise, they cannot obstruct. This is our private practice, on a private site.

I am not in favor even of Jain monks walking naked on public roads. The street does not belong only to the one who walks upon it; it belongs also to those who live by it, to those who must see. If they do not wish to see, it is not proper to assault their eyes. Whether they are right or wrong is not the question. But my eyes are mine, and if I do not want to see you naked, you should not stand where you appear naked to me. And if you do, it means you have less interest in being naked and more in being seen naked. Then the point is lost; one disease has been swapped for another—you escaped the well only to fall into the ditch.

I am no propagandist for nudism. But nudity can have a use in practice—that I certainly agree with. Still, society’s sensibilities must always be kept in view. Not because you fear society—fear is not the point at all. It is like this: a bus is blaring its horn, coming straight at you; if you stubbornly stand in front saying, “I am not afraid; I will not move,” then you are mad. One does not step aside out of fear, but out of intelligence. If someone does step aside, would you call him a coward? “When the bus was coming and the horn sounded, why did you move? You should have stood firm.” Only a madman would stand there.

There is no need to bend in life, but there is also no need to be stiff for no reason. One has to find the middle path.

Thus here the only way to hold the camp was to impose a ban on nudity; otherwise the camp could not be held. Between the two, it was right to prohibit nudity. There will be a slight hindrance; but the loss from that hindrance is far less than the loss of the camp itself. I am not blind on any matter, nor am I possessed by any mania. What is appropriate, what is practical, and what will benefit the most people—that is always to be considered.

“Acquiring the power to use the inner senses, having conquered the desires of the outer senses, having overcome the cravings of the soul and having attained knowledge, O disciple, prepare thyself indeed to enter the path. The path is found; prepare thyself to walk upon it.”